3sgte Engine Swap Reference...

3sgte Engine Swap Reference..., Anyone wanna help...

Mar 28, 2004 - 10:22 PM
DmVinny View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '03 From Florida Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	Im putting together a complete reference to a 3sgte engine swap from a 7afe or 5sfe, I gathered almost all the information I put into it on the net... anyone feel like correcting or adding other necessary info? here is the file: 3sgte Engine Swap Reference

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Apr 4, 2004 - 12:01 AM

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QUOTE (Uppitycracker @ Apr 3, 2004 - 8:20 PM)

1. Who actually rebuilds there engine before they swap?? Im planning on doing the swap myself when I get a celica and if i can eliminate things like a 1000 dollar rebuild kit then that would be great.

2. What about ecu? Do you have to find a 3sgte ecu? Do they tend to come with the engine??

3. So aside from custom down pipe and wiring harness everything else while recommended is still optional?

4. The list of parts where it says "yes" "no" "recommended", Im assuming yes means you have to purchase that part? I thought you needed mr2 axles? or is that just because they are more rigid? or because they are needed for the e153 tranny?

5. Using the S54 tranny what clutch/flywheel combo will you use? Does the 5sfe stuff fit or do you use the 3sgte parts?

6. What are the difference in gear ratios between the e153 and s54 trannies?

7. For the people who did the swap who is using there 5sfe tranny?

EDIT: Found this info about using the e135 tranny.

My gt tranny is holding up fine on the swap. My 3rd gear syncro is jacked up. As far as power goes it's perfectly fine at 200 to the wheels. We'll see what happens when I turn up the boost, I'm sure it will be fine. I'm worried about launching at the track with slicks and gt axles.
I think the mr2 lsd tranny is a little over $1400 for the whole swap.
Mr2 tranny $900
Mr2 axles $150
St185 axles $150
Mr2 Clutch disc $120
Shift linkage $150

you use the inner halfshafts from one set and the outer halfshafts from the other to make custom axels.
if i remember correctly, the celica axles fit into the wheel hubs, but not the transmission...and the mr2 axles fit into the tranny, but not the wheel hubs.
so, you use the mr2 inner halfshafts and celica outer halfshafts to make an axle that fits both

i'll do the best i can..

1. you dont need to rebuild just replace some parts. the engine shouldnt have more then 50k on it.
-timing belt
-water pump (interacts with the chain)
-misc. belts
-head gasket (maybe)
-misc. hoses
-etc. theres more on the swap pages.
qatars swap
2. if you buy a clip is should almost def be there
if you buy an engine make SURE its there.
you can buy them on ebay for about 200 if all else fails
3. you can run stock down pipe for a while. DG is looking into making some. your going to need a midpipe (DG) FMIC or a hood scoop or gt4 hood for intercooler. Intercooler piping if you go front mount (DG) your going to need new exhaust, or just a muffler. you can always get custom exhaust from the midpipe. if you want to control boost you can pick up a manual boost controller for about 20 bux.
4.) if you use a mr2 tranny. your going to use the mr2 transmission and 6cyl camry solars halfshafts (i learned this from kuya)
me personally, im gonna use my 5s tranny. qatar ran for a year on his 5s tranny with no probs, and so have a few others. altho some people have experience problems right from the start. i think it was supersprynt (sorry if i am wrong) who blew his bell housing as soon as the swap was done.

here is a pic kuya made of the mr2/camry combination
user posted image

5. you mix parts for the clutch. you should use the clutch for the transmission you use. say you use the 5s tranny. use a 5s clutch. use the flywheel and pressure plate off of the 3sgte. (almost 100% sure on this)
6.

USDM - 4.176 final gear ratio
JDM - 3.944 final gear ratio

Also check out the max speed per gear:

_______ US _________________________________ JDM____________
5th gear (Rev Limiter): 126mph_______ 5th gear (6500 RPM): 142mph
4th gear (6300 RPM): 100.5 __________ 4th gear (7000 RPM): 122mph
3rd gear (6300 RPM): 78.1 ___________ 3rd gear (7000 RPM): 98mph
2nd gear (6300 RPM): 52.7 ___________ 2nd gear (7000 RPM): 67mph
1st gear (6300 RPM): 31.4 ___________ 1st gear (7000 RPM): 40mph

Info from scotthanial

7. i think celic3sgte is, i am planning on it, qatar did for a year until his car blew up (not tranny related) DG is, Chrobis is

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DmVinny 3sgte Engine Swap Reference... Mar 28, 2004 - 10:22 PM

celica3sgte Click on the link you posted, the html is all jumb... Mar 29, 2004 - 12:41 AM

kuya1284 QUOTE (celica3sgte @ Mar 28, 2004 - 10:41 PM) Clic... Mar 29, 2004 - 12:42 AM

DmVinny Thanks kuya... forgot to mention its rar'd... Mar 29, 2004 - 2:31 AM

Drocay thats real help full man. Mar 29, 2004 - 9:25 AM

celica3sgte I still can't view the rar. I have it on this... Mar 29, 2004 - 6:11 PM

nik can someone post the unzipped version Mar 29, 2004 - 9:45 PM

kuya1284 Ok... I decided to host the information... since p... Mar 30, 2004 - 4:42 AM

celica3sgte Excellent. The only thing you forgot was the Axle... Apr 2, 2004 - 1:09 AM

DmVinny Well I figured I'd put it up here so people ca... Apr 2, 2004 - 10:55 AM

turboinduction Quick question. I know that if you import a 3S, y... Apr 3, 2004 - 4:03 PM

blkGT ok im in the middle of this swap and i have questi... Apr 3, 2004 - 4:10 PM

Uppitycracker 1. Who actually rebuilds there engine before they ... Apr 3, 2004 - 10:20 PM

blkGT QUOTE (Uppitycracker @ Apr 3, 2004 - 8:20 PM) 1. W... Apr 4, 2004 - 12:01 AM

Uppitycracker Awesome man thanks for the info. Alot of that coul... Apr 4, 2004 - 12:37 AM

blkGT 1. I got screwed. i got mine from jdm.inc and it i... Apr 4, 2004 - 11:03 AM

blkGT haha uppity, just all stuff that ive learned from ... Apr 4, 2004 - 11:04 AM

Uppitycracker QUOTE (blkGT @ Apr 4, 2004 - 9:04 AM) haha up... Apr 4, 2004 - 2:56 PM

celicaracer18 if you use a mr2 tranny. your going to use the mr2... Jun 7, 2004 - 7:40 PM

sinner96ST if you haven't already, for this 7A-3s swap, p... Jun 7, 2004 - 8:21 PM

CaRson-Masta i understand all of what u guys r saying but what ... Jun 13, 2004 - 4:24 PM

obi1kinob I remember reading that you could use a 6 speed tr... Jun 15, 2004 - 2:00 AM

obi1kinob QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Jun 7, 2004 - 5:21 PM) if you ... Jun 15, 2004 - 2:42 AM

rickpal444 hey obi1kinob tryed to get it from the site but si... Jun 19, 2004 - 6:27 PM

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