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post Apr 14, 2004 - 5:55 PM
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I am about to begin my quest into swapping the celica. My first thought was to get the 3s-gte like everyone else and laugh at every civic that comes my way. hahahaha. But that would be the easy way out. i want to be able to kill other racers without going turbo. so i was thinking about the 3S-GE. Beams if possible to obtain. i wanna know if this engine has a chance against the GSR engines.


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post Apr 15, 2004 - 1:28 AM
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QUOTE (H8DC3lica94 @ Apr 14, 2004 - 4:44 PM)
going turbo does sound great. but having turbo means more maintenace and having to go trough more BS from cops and authorities. blah blah blah. i havent completely ruled out going turbo by the way. i'm just looking for alternate routes. Cali isnt the greatest place to go turbo or even start messing with the car. besides, the thought of having a non-turbo and kicking ass. And to have better times and out run a turboed car. i like that better.

out run what turbo cars?

swapping in a 3sge would put your celica at a little faster than a stock GSR, and probably the same as an ITR

and keeping it NA, there isnt much you can do to the engine to make the car faster(just like every other NA 4 cylinder DOHC engine tuned for as much power and practicality as possible from the factory).

it would most likely max out at low 14's(with out lots of internal work, $$$), that is if you plan on having some sort of interior

it would be faster than stock, no doubt about that, but it wont be that fast compaired to the cars on the market now and it cant be made too much faster while still being NA

and wouldnt you really kick your self in the ass, if you swapped in a 3sge, put the basic bolt ons on the car, only to lose to stock srt-4's or WRX's with intake and exhaust, then decide to turbo the 3sge to get more power when you could have started off with a 3sgte?

im sorry, but no toyota NA 4 cylinder is going to outrun anything more than IHE hondas/acuras(you would be suprised at how many are turboed, or extensively modified)

if you want just a little more power, than go for a 3sge

but from reading what you want, dont expect to get it from a 3sge. power and reliability have an inverse relationship

the more power, the less reliable. if you dont want the hassle of checking the oil once every day or two, or letting the car cool down after a hard run. then the 3sge is for you(allthough stock 3sgte's go to 200k miles with little trouble) and power needs to be sacrificed


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- H8DC3lica94   celica 3s-ge vs integra gsr   Apr 14, 2004 - 5:55 PM
- - bonzaisushi   ya it does, but its a more complicated swap... i b...   Apr 14, 2004 - 6:08 PM
- - celicarocker   is there a reason you want non turbo? if your gonn...   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:23 PM
- - Doge   QUOTE (celicarocker @ Apr 14, 2004 - 5:23 PM) is t...   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:28 PM
- - Digndoug   ok, first off, the 3s-ge should be easier then the...   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:39 PM
- - H8DC3lica94   going turbo does sound great. but having turbo mea...   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:44 PM
- - macavely   i been considering the 3sge over the gte simply cu...   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:49 PM
- - LatinKraze   I'm have concidered swapping the 3SGE as well....   Apr 14, 2004 - 7:54 PM
- - JDM7afe   I'm considering a swap in another year and a h...   Apr 14, 2004 - 9:13 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   hell... you could run a 3s-ge off a 5s-fe or quite...   Apr 14, 2004 - 10:17 PM
- - saleeka   i read somewher else on the site not long ago at a...   Apr 15, 2004 - 12:06 AM
- - Digndoug   well, are you all talking about the beams 3s-ge, o...   Apr 15, 2004 - 12:09 AM
- - toyotaspeed_90   if you find a non vvt 3sge then it wouldn't be...   Apr 15, 2004 - 12:09 AM
- - ssnake86   how much would the whole swap cost you? engine and...   Apr 15, 2004 - 12:59 AM
- - saleeka   QUOTE (Digndoug @ Apr 15, 2004 - 5:09 AM) well, ar...   Apr 15, 2004 - 1:07 AM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (H8DC3lica94 @ Apr 14, 2004 - 4:44 PM) going...   Apr 15, 2004 - 1:28 AM
- - Magic   ......If you want to go with non-turbo engine you ...   Apr 15, 2004 - 1:47 AM
- - Chrobis   all I have to say is dont be cool trying to be dif...   Apr 15, 2004 - 2:01 AM
- - neoklis   Personally i think the 3SGE is a waste of time and...   Apr 15, 2004 - 6:42 AM
- - toyotaspeed_90   n/a 4 cylinders can run faster than mid to low 14...   Apr 15, 2004 - 3:07 PM
- - H8DC3lica94   thanks guys for the help. QUOTE and wouldnt you r...   Apr 15, 2004 - 3:10 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Apr 15, 2004 - 12:07 PM) n...   Apr 15, 2004 - 5:06 PM
- - Pali_playa   3SGE Motor not that expensive either   Apr 15, 2004 - 8:50 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (Pali_playa @ Apr 15, 2004 - 5:50 PM) 3SGE M...   Apr 15, 2004 - 9:37 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Apr 15, 2004 - 8:07 PM) n/...   Apr 16, 2004 - 1:05 AM
- - bonzaisushi   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Apr 15, 2004 - 11:05 PM) QUOTE (...   Apr 16, 2004 - 1:07 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (bonzaisushi @ Apr 16, 2004 - 6:07 AM) what ...   Apr 16, 2004 - 1:20 AM


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