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post Apr 19, 2004 - 10:34 AM
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Is that any good some guy around me is selloing alot of these engines, He says he has to silvertops for $500 dollars are those any good he also said i can get another engine with more balls but more money. I dotn want to spend very much money on the engine sice it will cost alot to swap it. IF i do get this engien will i need to get a new tranny?
 
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post Apr 21, 2004 - 1:48 AM
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QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Apr 21, 2004 - 6:09 AM)
coomer & toyspeed, 2 questions -
1) do you regret swapping?
2) had you been in a 3s / 4a powered ride before you both swapped?
i'm curious because people usually say the 4a swap is disappointing, to say the least. i read about coomers problem w/ his bonehead mechanic, but besides that, are you happy with it or would you have rather gone w/ the 3s?

You can't compare the 2 motors that way. With the street racing FAD these days... of course the 3SGTE can walk all over the 4AG "out of the box"... but 4AG's NEVER were a high-powered motor to begin with... nor was that its real offer. If you've ever driven a 4AG powered car... they're a joy to drive. The motors scream (even though they don't generate any excessive power... it sure feels like it)... It's just fun watching the tach jump from idle to 7800 within a second and again back to 7800 a few seconds after that... After 20 some odd years... it's still a VERY VERY popular tuning motor today, across several generations. They can be built... but their popularity isn't in their "high-powered" ability.

Aside from that... from a performance standpoint... the 4AG would make a better track engine than a 3SGTE. Turbos make great power... but sometimes... on some tracks... they're rendered nearly useless cause you just can't really step on it without the thought of losing grip all the way through a corner. As for all-out acceleration... well... the power will hang it all out there. I wouldn't try to build a 4AG powered drag car...

If I were to swap into my celica... I'd go 7AG hybrid (basically 4AG head on a 7AF block)... Get a bit of the torque, and get the high-revving free-flowing 4AG attitude. Throw on some 270+ duration cams in the 8mm lift range... and you'll have a streetable 7AG hybrid that can potentially lay down around 150 whp with a very nice torque band around 130 ftlbs that never drops off...


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Posts in this topic
- Exile04   Im looking to get a...   Apr 19, 2004 - 10:34 AM
- - sinner96ST   You'll have to ask coomer about this. He...   Apr 19, 2004 - 10:44 AM
- - Jabberwock   Silver top is the one coomer has, but thats not fr...   Apr 19, 2004 - 2:51 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   no ae86 came with a silvertop..... NONE.... all ae...   Apr 19, 2004 - 5:05 PM
- - Exile04   So is it a good buy on the 16valve for $500 h...   Apr 19, 2004 - 5:48 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (Exile04 @ Apr 19, 2004 - 10:48 PM) So is it...   Apr 19, 2004 - 7:13 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   $500 for a 100,000 motor isn't all that g...   Apr 19, 2004 - 11:35 PM
- - Exile04   HMMM.ok ill find out whats all included.   Apr 20, 2004 - 1:54 AM
- - toyotaspeed_90   just to let you know.... a silvertop with a full u...   Apr 20, 2004 - 1:53 PM
- - Exile04   how many hores adn stuff like that with that engin...   Apr 20, 2004 - 5:57 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   i did the install.... i put out 109.6hp at the whe...   Apr 20, 2004 - 8:06 PM
- - Exile04   so im not really gaining anything from it?   Apr 20, 2004 - 10:18 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   QUOTE (Exile04 @ Apr 21, 2004 - 3:18 AM) so i...   Apr 20, 2004 - 10:39 PM
- - Coomer   QUOTE (toyotaspeed_90 @ Apr 20, 2004 - 5:06 PM) i ...   Apr 20, 2004 - 11:23 PM
- - sinner96ST   coomer & toyspeed, 2 questions - 1) do you re...   Apr 21, 2004 - 1:09 AM
- - Coomer   QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Apr 20, 2004 - 10:09 PM) coome...   Apr 21, 2004 - 1:44 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Apr 21, 2004 - 6:09 AM) coomer...   Apr 21, 2004 - 1:48 AM
- - toyotaspeed_90   i've never ridden in any 3s-gte cars, but i...   Apr 21, 2004 - 1:51 AM
- - sinner96ST   Yeah, i'm not disrespecting either engine, the...   Apr 21, 2004 - 2:39 AM
- - Exile04   Hey toyota speed i still ahve to talk to my dad ab...   Apr 21, 2004 - 5:28 PM
- - sinner96ST   QUOTE (Exile04 @ Apr 21, 2004 - 3:28 PM) Hey toyot...   Apr 21, 2004 - 5:59 PM
- - Coomer   QUOTE (sinner96ST @ Apr 21, 2004 - 2:59 PM) QUOTE ...   Apr 21, 2004 - 7:38 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   in fact for my swap.... ALL i got was the longbloc...   Apr 22, 2004 - 3:23 PM
- - toyotaspeed_90   also... make SURE you get a non t-vis.... the t-vi...   Apr 22, 2004 - 3:24 PM


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