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Aight all i have is some basic questions and im beggin some1 to take the time to answer them
 . I have a 96 Celica (ST204) and ive been looking to swap with a 3sgte engine but i have many questions. Here thery r: first one is where is the best place to get one? 2.when i go to look fer them it gives me dif chasi codes like ST 185 and ST205 and stuff which one is the right one fer my car?? 3.Im assuming this but do i need to buy the engind from a celica of can i also buy it from a MR2 and if so is it going to fit my current motor mounts. PLZ IM BEGGING FER SOME 1 TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IM SO CONFUSED  AND THE WORST PART IS I AM SO CLOSE TO HAVING ENOUPH MONEY TO BUY A 3SGTE ENGINE
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Jun 13, 2004 - 6:49 PM
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haha...mine as well start the trend right? 
Ok...first of all Carson, neither of these engines will fit perfectly in your 6th Gen Celica. Both of them will require rewiring, and some degree of modificatoin. The 3rd Gen. 3s (in the 6th Gen. GT4) is said to require alot more rewiring than the 2nd Gen. If this is true or not I cannot tell you as I havn't been able to pick anyone's brain that has done the 3rd Gen. swap. There are quite a few people, however, that have done the 2nd Gen. swap. Pretty much the only wiring that has to be done with the 2nd Gen. 3s swap is a lengthening of the entire 5th Gen. GT4 wiring harness, some splicing of the 6th gen. interior plugs onto the harness, and some splicing of a few of the 6th gen. sensors onto the harness. Odviously easier said than done. But from the sound of it you won't be doing the swap yourself so you probably won't have to be worrying about such things. Just make sure you get a competent person to do the swap for you. The only other discourager of the 3rd Gen. swap is that it was not put into production in the US market. This makes it really hard to get even basic parts for maintinance of the engine, as you'll have to contact places outside of the US to get the parts. The 2nd Gen. 3S-GTE was offered in the US, so any part that you would need is available at your local Toyota dealer. Now for the mechanical aspect. Your profile doesn't say wether you have a GT or an ST. If you have a GT alot of the work is already done for you. The motor mounts are already in place, your transmission will bolt up (more on this later), etc. Here is a small list (provided by Mike of topshelfracing.com aka Qatar11 on this site) of some of the modifications that will need to take place depending on if you have a GT or ST Modification list The transmission of a GT odviously isn't ready to handle a 225hp beast of an engine. It was meant to handle the 140hp that the 5S-FE engine produces in our Celicas. There is alot of discussion about how long a GT trans will hold up. But I think it is safe to say that you can use the Trans for the swap. but don't expect it to last long if you are running around at full throttle all the time. With my swap I like to look at it as if I'm using my GT trans to get familiar with my engine, just to put around and get a feel for the newness, and then when I'm ready to whip around I'll get an MR2 Trans., which is meant to handle the power. If you are seriously planning on doing this swap, then there are factors that should be taken into account about where the engine you are going to buy has come from, and what accessories you are getting with it. If you decide to go with the 2nd Gen. 3S-GTE, it is highly recommended that you get a JDM engine. Look at the top of the Engine/Transmission/Performance forum. You'll see Feasable Engine Swaps, this post by Coomer will give you some good info, as well as a couple importers that will carry JDM engines for sale. Otherwise do a google search for some importers, but be weary who you buy from. Its not guarenteed that you won't get ripped off. As long as you're careful you'll be fine. Do some snooping around on the forums and you'll find out what you need to look for in a good engine that will treat you well after it's installed. Secondly, it is also highly recommended that you get a front clip of an ST185 from Japan. By doing this you are getting a complete front half of a Celica. Aside from the coolness factor that includes being able to tell your friends that you bought half a car from Japan, you'll also get alot of necessary parts that would otherwise be hard to find if you just bought the engine. Such as the ECU, ignitor, resistor pack, etc, etc. It's not as hairy as it sounds. Buying a front clip actually isn't much more expensive than buying the engine alone, and it will save you ungodly amounts of time trying to source all the other little parts required for the swap. I hope this answers SOME of your questions, though it is in no way a full explination of the headaches that you will go through with the swap. If you are serious and want to learn more I suggest the Search option on these forums. The amount of info you will find is mind boggling. Good luck! |
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CaRson-Masta 3sgte questions and answers Jun 13, 2004 - 2:54 AM
orvillescelica for the answers to these questions, check out the ... Jun 13, 2004 - 5:01 AM CaRson-Masta aight theres still a couple question i got it is
1... Jun 13, 2004 - 5:44 AM Doge An ST185 is a 5th Generation Celica GT4. It has t... Jun 13, 2004 - 1:24 PM jgreening pleasant answers to often asked questions....maybe... Jun 13, 2004 - 3:11 PM CaRson-Masta O sick thanks guys so basically i can by either on... Jun 13, 2004 - 3:35 PM jgreening QUOTE O sick thanks guys so basically i can by eit... Jun 13, 2004 - 6:53 PM CaRson-Masta Aight well its clear that i should definetly go wi... Jun 13, 2004 - 8:31 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE (CaRson-Masta @ Jun 14, 2004 - 1:31 AM) i fo... Jun 14, 2004 - 12:22 AM |
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