umm...sure buddy.... Options

[jmoneydtb]

*the numbers are quotes taken from 2nd post on supra tt engine swap thread by charlie97L*

1) Yes, the 2JZ has 320 HP stock, and the 3S-GTE has 225-255 HP (depending on the year). However the 3S-GTE has more potential than the 2JZ.

how so? a stock longblock that can hold over 1000 whp and run 10.5's???....

2) It is interesting to note, that in almost every instance when a tuning company has built a Supra to race, they put in a 3S-GTE. Why? You can get a lot more HP out of it. (I know, if you can do this, why can’t you put the 2JZ in the Celica? It is because you can mount the 3S-GTE longitudinally in the HUGE Supra engine bay, lots of room to work.)

um wrong...they swap cause its lighter and can make up to the legal amount of power for that race circuit, and because there is more room to work with... and they do not swap for a 3s when on a drag circuit.

3) The 3S-GTE has won multiple World Rally Championships for Toyota, and Rallying is really the most strenuous test you can put on an engine. What has the 2JZ done, besides been in the Fast and the Furious? Nothing.

true the 3s-gte is awesome, its used in rally cause its light and makes good power, they also keep it in a celica for rally! supras arent meant for rally! and just to let you know, f&f was a ricers dream come true...it doesnt give the supra any credit that it deserves.

4) While I’m on the F&F, Supras are not 10-second cars stock. And it’s going to take a lot more than “15 grand” to make a 2JZ hit the 10 second mark.

correct...supras arent 10 second cars...they 7 second cars...i have personally worked on a supra w/ only about $7g and it is a low 11 second car. (no n2o, we dont believe in that stuff) just have to be smart and know what your doing.

sorry for bringin up the supra again on a celica forum...but someone obviously knows a lot more about celicas than they know about supras...

This post has been edited by jmoneydtb: Aug 23, 2004 - 2:07 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

This reminds me of my Supra experience. I met a guy with a black 1993 N/A Supra 5spd that was in beautiful shape and I got to drive it back in early July. He used to own two 5th gen Celicas and sold both to get a Supra for 13k.

Supras are definately a car to be beckoned with, because their build quality is excellent. From being fortunate enough to experience a MKIV Supra first hand and spending time around a few Supras of different generations in the past, they all have amazing characteristics and tons of tuning potential. Even the N/A 2JZGE has good muscle, let alone a twin turbo 2JZGTE which is an engine to rival most any engine in production.

Same with the 3SGTE. Its another amazing engine built by Toyota designed to provide lots of power and be run hard, just like the Supra. However to compare one engine to the other just isnt fair, considering the 2JZ is a hugely powerful and bottomless inline 6, and the 3S starts as a tiny 2 liter four mounted horizontally.

Both serve their purpose very well for the vehicles they came in, and are perfectly suited for that specific application, and thats why they were chosen. So in other words, Ill take a 3S in my Celica, and a 2JZ in a Supra, because thats where they belong. So when you start to compare the engines to eachother, its kind of pointless, considering they were built for two totally different types of cars with different power needs/transmission layouts/weight figures, etc.