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post Sep 25, 2004 - 8:57 PM
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at a stop light we both stopped then we didnt go right off the bat so i gave it a little bit of gas and was like 2 car lengths ahead of him then all of a sudden i just hear squealing tires and a rideciously loud sound (but nice) so i didnt want to embaress myself, so i just stopped.

he would of owned me huh.
 
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post Sep 27, 2004 - 1:43 AM
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QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 6:20 AM)
i totally disagree with the fact the hondas are soild motos thyre all right but i would go to say solid(i am just talking generaly about the b seris motors because i know nothing of any other honda seris).

what they last forever i hear that all the time. well ive seen a ford with 260,000 on  it and still ran pretty good. toyotas do that (with the exclusion of the turboed motors) volvo motors do that.

now b seris motors are known to have horrible issues with the alternator and the a/c.

and the valves, oh the valves im not even gonna go into the valves here

now 127hp out of a 1.6l a feat? no not in the least ive seen what 225 out of the atlantica 4age. now 225hp out of a NA 1.6l now thats a feat.

All that work to redeem yourself... *sigh*

B series motors are tough and they make a lot of power. You bring up 3 of the engines I have the most vast experience with (D15/16, B series, 4AGs) so i gotta break them down a bit for you. B16/18s are good engines. We have a B16A set-up with ITBS and it runs beautifully. The motor has been beaten up on for most of this year, and we have not had any major problems with it. It's eaten nitrious, ran with bad tuning, dragged with a leaky head gasket, and recently, when taken apart, everything was CLEAN. This was almost always the case with the B series motors I worked on. We've spun this engine on almost a daily basis up to 8.5 rpms and it took the abuse since we've had it (had it since march). The engine still runs beautifully, even on crappily tuned ITBs... That's gotta say a bit about how tough this motor is.

D series Honda motors are tough... why? Cause they've been in service, and are still in service since the early 80's. That alone has to say a bit about how well designed the engine is. Of course all engines have their problems, but if they're still being used... it's a good design. They do make some decent power also, and respond very well to nitrious. With modifications readily available and backed by Companies like Skunk2 and such, these engines have fair potential.

Finally to compare the 2 above mentioned to the 4AGs... well, I'm afraid to say the 4AG may measure up to the D16 in terms of making power, it will not make as much streetable power as the D16. The D16 has far more buildability because it can be bored and stroked to some degree, while the 4AGs can't (5A/7A strokers, yes, but very limited bore). The formula atlantic 4AG should not be used as a comparison because even though it makes good power, it is NOT a streetable motor and is not an engine people can build and use on the street. MOST 16V 4AGs don't make more than 200 hp without very serious work. As unlikely as it sounds, I've seen D15/16 n/a motors that put out comparable numbers to streetable built 4AGs. I love the 4AGs... but I'll admit, it's not because they can make a fair amount of power. The D16's can almost match the 16V 4AGs...

Oh... and go ahead and try to dispute what I say. It's all good and I never take these things personally. I'll just ask you this... have I been totally incorrect, yet still refuse to acknowledge the opposing side? Have I passed completely wrong information? Have I used my personal opinion to sway the facts? I'm merely clearifying things that are said which are based off of pure opinion...

>>>Edited in<<<<
I wanted to show you this also... My old 4AG that froze because of oiling problems... Work of beauty... Engines break... there's no way around that...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 27, 2004 - 1:51 AM


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- DamDirtyApes   almost just raced a prelude   Sep 25, 2004 - 8:57 PM
- - lagos   i eat preludes for lunch.   Sep 25, 2004 - 8:59 PM
- - red_94gts   you probably eat alot of things for lunch   Sep 25, 2004 - 9:04 PM
- - Andason   nothing personal, but this thread is worthless. i...   Sep 25, 2004 - 9:10 PM
- - DamDirtyApes   nothing personal, but ur post is worthless, i didn...   Sep 25, 2004 - 9:22 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE (DamDirtyApes @ Sep 25, 2004 - 6:22 PM) noth...   Sep 25, 2004 - 10:51 PM
- - celicarocker   my auto ST took a prelude off a line... by about h...   Sep 25, 2004 - 11:51 PM
- - shid   Unless they're vtec or medium mods, they'r...   Sep 26, 2004 - 12:09 AM
- - blkGT   RE: almost just raced a prelude   Sep 26, 2004 - 12:20 AM
- - recneps   16.9 what is that a stock 6 gen st? i like my pre...   Sep 26, 2004 - 12:51 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE (DamDirtyApes @ Sep 25, 2004 - 7:22 PM) lago...   Sep 26, 2004 - 1:43 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   normal preludes are slow. ive never raced one wit...   Sep 26, 2004 - 6:24 AM
- - DamDirtyApes   this guy defintly had something going on under the...   Sep 26, 2004 - 9:05 AM
- - Magic   DamDirtyApes you are not from the Greek island Rh...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:11 AM
- - SlowCelica94   I raced a 4th gen prelude VTEC. I held up even wit...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:56 AM
- - red_94gts   yeah for the power they come with stock, the h22 p...   Sep 26, 2004 - 10:10 PM
- - recneps   thats what i hate about hondas and love about toyo...   Sep 26, 2004 - 10:15 PM
- - DamDirtyApes   eh im just babbling on , i know its only a honda. ...   Sep 26, 2004 - 10:17 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (red_94gts @ Sep 27, 2004 - 3:10 AM) yeah fo...   Sep 26, 2004 - 10:39 PM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:43 AM) QUOTE (DamD...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:01 PM
- - belizecelica   I had a 94 ST and crashed it, then i traded the wr...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:06 PM
- - belizecelica   I had a 94 ST and crashed it, then i traded the wr...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:07 PM
- - belizecelica   sorry i posted twice   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:13 PM
- - recneps   QUOTE Unfortunately, you don't know what you...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:16 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 4:16 AM) umm ...   Sep 26, 2004 - 11:33 PM
- - vangSTa_celica   Kwanza is my hero...   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:10 AM
- - recneps   QUOTE Kwanza is my hero... oh im not done, ive ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:21 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 5:21 AM) ok i will...   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:29 AM
- - vangSTa_celica   I have to agree with Kwanza. People know Hondas a...   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:35 AM
- - recneps   wow i feel i almost redeemed my self there.   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:41 AM
- - Doge   I agree... the civic is the main reason honda has ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:02 AM
- - recneps   i totally disagree with the fact the hondas are so...   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:20 AM
- - Ryu3x16   yeah..true.. honda's are great cars.... my cou...   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:23 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 6:20 AM) i to...   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:43 AM
- - recneps   QUOTE Oh... and go ahead and try to dispute what I...   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:51 AM
- - Ryu3x16   kwanza...i've notice that..how come everytime ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:01 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 6:51 AM) i wouldn...   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:02 AM
- - recneps   QUOTE kwanza...i've notice that..how come ever...   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:16 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (Ryu3x16 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:01 AM) kwanza......   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:17 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:16 AM) now i wou...   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:18 AM
- - shadycrew31   lets face it guys hondas are turning into fords.. ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 2:51 AM
- - recneps   QUOTE >>>Edited in<<<< I want...   Sep 27, 2004 - 8:34 AM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 25, 2004 - 9:59 PM) i eat ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 10:19 AM
- - Anub1s   It all depends on the generation of the Prelude. M...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:02 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (shadycrew31 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:51 AM) lets ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:24 AM
- - recneps   yeah but dosnt the B18C have a longer stroke and s...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:28 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 4:28 PM) yeah but ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:44 AM
- - Andason   good lord, someone should rename this thread to th...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:48 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 1:34 PM) engines b...   Sep 27, 2004 - 11:50 AM
- - belizecelica   sorry i meant i have a 4th gen 'lude, and its ...   Sep 27, 2004 - 12:27 PM
- - kdash   oh no not another honda arguement again   Sep 27, 2004 - 1:28 PM
- - red_94gts   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 3:39 AM) QUOTE (r...   Sep 30, 2004 - 11:25 PM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:25 AM) hey i us...   Oct 1, 2004 - 11:00 AM
- - Gilbert_619   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM) QUOTE (re...   Oct 1, 2004 - 1:58 PM
- - Gilbert_619   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM)QUOTE...   Oct 1, 2004 - 1:59 PM
- - red_94gts   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM) QUOTE (re...   Oct 2, 2004 - 12:19 AM
- - recneps   QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 2, 2004 - 5:19 AM) QUO...   Oct 2, 2004 - 1:00 AM
- - red_94gts   well **** i raced another one tonight, just to see...   Oct 2, 2004 - 1:54 AM
- - Kwanza26   QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 2, 2004 - 6:54 AM) well ***...   Oct 2, 2004 - 11:45 AM
- - red_94gts   QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 2, 2004 - 4:45 PM) . The ty...   Oct 2, 2004 - 7:44 PM


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