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at a stop light we both stopped then we didnt go right off the bat so i gave it a little bit of gas and was like 2 car lengths ahead of him then all of a sudden i just hear squealing tires and a rideciously loud sound (but nice) so i didnt want to embaress myself, so i just stopped.
he would of owned me huh. |
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Sep 27, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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Did I mention the older B series are not related in any way to the newer B series? The last of the Prelude B series motors had a name changed and was called the H23. That was essentially the final version of the Prelude B series. The B series motors in the Integras and such are completely different. The easy way to tell, Prelude B sereis motors are mounted at an angle... As for the B18C and B18B... the B18B had a slightly taller stroke... but like you said, it wasn't much. I don't even think it was 50cc total... probably closer to 20-30cc. I forget exactly which is what. My point is, the motors are essentially identical. The B18B makes a better torque band, but that's only because it was designed to do so without VTEC. That doesn't mean Hondas *need* Vtec to make power, all it says is that they altered their designed to best utilize VTEC. Same deal with Toyota... the 1ZZFE was designed differently with a smaller bore and larger stroke than a 2ZZGE. Take for example, the K20A3 that came in the 2002+ Civic SI. It's a good motor, and although it claims to have VTEC, it has a different type of VTEC. This is an econo designed motor, similar to the old HX D15's back in the day. The engine runs on 3 valves per cyclinder (actually has 4) until its "VTEC" kicks in in the low rpms (~2000), which open up the 4th valve. This is done so chamber velocity is at its highest, making the best amount of torque. The base model RSX had the same motor, but they also incorporated intake manifold butterflys, similar to Toyota's TVIS system. These things together, do make for an engine that has very good low-end to mid-ranged response, and they do not utilize the traditional high lift multiple cam lobe VTEC. Honda does make good non-VTEC motors... but if they sell a lot of VTEC units... who cares? As for the old 3rd gen B20/21 vs the 5SFE... unfortunately, I'll disagree simply because the B20/21 can deliver more torque higher in the rpm band. True Dual Overhead Cams is the reason. The 5SFE makes torque, so you immediately feel the torque even at low throttle, while the B20/21 are pretty opposite... starting out flat and finishing up strong. I don't know what you guys did to your B20/21's... but ours was a 14 second car and was only modestly modified. I'm not saying the 5SFE is a bad engine... it's just not designed to do what a lot of people are looking for it to do. I've been there, and done that. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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DamDirtyApes almost just raced a prelude Sep 25, 2004 - 8:57 PM
lagos i eat preludes for lunch. Sep 25, 2004 - 8:59 PM red_94gts you probably eat alot of things for lunch Sep 25, 2004 - 9:04 PM Andason nothing personal, but this thread is worthless.
i... Sep 25, 2004 - 9:10 PM DamDirtyApes nothing personal, but ur post is worthless, i didn... Sep 25, 2004 - 9:22 PM 97sccelica QUOTE (DamDirtyApes @ Sep 25, 2004 - 6:22 PM) noth... Sep 25, 2004 - 10:51 PM celicarocker my auto ST took a prelude off a line... by about h... Sep 25, 2004 - 11:51 PM shid Unless they're vtec or medium mods, they'r... Sep 26, 2004 - 12:09 AM blkGT RE: almost just raced a prelude Sep 26, 2004 - 12:20 AM recneps 16.9 what is that a stock 6 gen st?
i like my pre... Sep 26, 2004 - 12:51 AM lagos QUOTE (DamDirtyApes @ Sep 25, 2004 - 7:22 PM) lago... Sep 26, 2004 - 1:43 AM x_itchy_b_x normal preludes are slow. ive never raced one wit... Sep 26, 2004 - 6:24 AM DamDirtyApes this guy defintly had something going on under the... Sep 26, 2004 - 9:05 AM Magic DamDirtyApes you are not from the Greek island Rh... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:11 AM SlowCelica94 I raced a 4th gen prelude VTEC. I held up even wit... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:56 AM red_94gts yeah for the power they come with stock, the h22 p... Sep 26, 2004 - 10:10 PM recneps thats what i hate about hondas and love about toyo... Sep 26, 2004 - 10:15 PM DamDirtyApes eh im just babbling on , i know its only a honda. ... Sep 26, 2004 - 10:17 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (red_94gts @ Sep 27, 2004 - 3:10 AM) yeah fo... Sep 26, 2004 - 10:39 PM Digndoug QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 26, 2004 - 6:43 AM) QUOTE (DamD... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:01 PM belizecelica I had a 94 ST and crashed it, then i traded the wr... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:06 PM belizecelica I had a 94 ST and crashed it, then i traded the wr... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:07 PM belizecelica sorry i posted twice Sep 26, 2004 - 11:13 PM recneps QUOTE Unfortunately, you don't know what you... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:16 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 4:16 AM) umm ... Sep 26, 2004 - 11:33 PM vangSTa_celica Kwanza is my hero... Sep 27, 2004 - 12:10 AM recneps QUOTE Kwanza is my hero...
oh im not done, ive ... Sep 27, 2004 - 12:21 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 5:21 AM) ok i will... Sep 27, 2004 - 12:29 AM vangSTa_celica I have to agree with Kwanza. People know Hondas a... Sep 27, 2004 - 12:35 AM recneps wow i feel i almost redeemed my self there. Sep 27, 2004 - 12:41 AM Doge I agree... the civic is the main reason honda has ... Sep 27, 2004 - 1:02 AM recneps i totally disagree with the fact the hondas are so... Sep 27, 2004 - 1:20 AM Ryu3x16 yeah..true.. honda's are great cars.... my cou... Sep 27, 2004 - 1:23 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 6:20 AM) i to... Sep 27, 2004 - 1:43 AM recneps QUOTE Oh... and go ahead and try to dispute what I... Sep 27, 2004 - 1:51 AM Ryu3x16 kwanza...i've notice that..how come everytime ... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:01 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 6:51 AM)
i wouldn... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:02 AM recneps QUOTE kwanza...i've notice that..how come ever... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:16 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (Ryu3x16 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:01 AM) kwanza...... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:17 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:16 AM) now i wou... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:18 AM shadycrew31 lets face it guys hondas are turning into fords.. ... Sep 27, 2004 - 2:51 AM recneps QUOTE >>>Edited in<<<<
I want... Sep 27, 2004 - 8:34 AM Supersprynt QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 25, 2004 - 9:59 PM) i eat ... Sep 27, 2004 - 10:19 AM Anub1s It all depends on the generation of the Prelude. M... Sep 27, 2004 - 11:02 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (shadycrew31 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 7:51 AM) lets ... Sep 27, 2004 - 11:24 AM recneps yeah but dosnt the B18C have a longer stroke and s... Sep 27, 2004 - 11:28 AM Andason good lord, someone should rename this thread to th... Sep 27, 2004 - 11:48 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (recneps @ Sep 27, 2004 - 1:34 PM) engines b... Sep 27, 2004 - 11:50 AM belizecelica sorry i meant i have a 4th gen 'lude, and its ... Sep 27, 2004 - 12:27 PM kdash oh no not another honda arguement again Sep 27, 2004 - 1:28 PM red_94gts QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Sep 27, 2004 - 3:39 AM) QUOTE (r... Sep 30, 2004 - 11:25 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:25 AM) hey i us... Oct 1, 2004 - 11:00 AM Gilbert_619 QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM) QUOTE (re... Oct 1, 2004 - 1:58 PM Gilbert_619 QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM)QUOTE... Oct 1, 2004 - 1:59 PM red_94gts QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Oct 1, 2004 - 4:00 PM) QUOTE (re... Oct 2, 2004 - 12:19 AM recneps QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 2, 2004 - 5:19 AM) QUO... Oct 2, 2004 - 1:00 AM red_94gts well **** i raced another one tonight, just to see... Oct 2, 2004 - 1:54 AM Kwanza26 QUOTE (red_94gts @ Oct 2, 2004 - 6:54 AM) well ***... Oct 2, 2004 - 11:45 AM
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