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post Oct 18, 2004 - 11:49 AM
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Ok...so last week on thursday i went out with my friends to tried out our cars.. i tried out my friends car a 91 nissan sentra SE-R and lost like 3 car lane... some other guys came along and wanted to race me with a 89 Corolla GT-S and i smoked him like 3 car or so... i think i rev and set my rpm too high..i set it at 3rmp... is that too high??. because off the launch i took the se-r even though they have lsd... i was thinking if i rev too low it might bogg on me...well just a story to tell...what do you guys think??


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post Oct 21, 2004 - 4:58 PM
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QUOTE (operative @ Oct 21, 2004 - 4:17 PM)
My point:
STOCK GT beat STOCK ST in straight line on 1/4 mile with the driver being equal.

My car starts to drift in those "Initial D" turns @ 60MPH, 50MPH it still sticks to the road. Pretty insane drifing downhill @ 60MPH.

This post have to do with "Racing" as the topic suggests, NOT "Flamming" as some people are doing.

We were never talking about the GT and ST in a 1/4 mile though?

FWD cars cant drift. Then can understeer like mad though.

I'll explain, as driving cars is my life and job.

We were never talking about the GT and ST in a 1/4 mile though?

FWD cars cant drift. Then can understeer like mad though.

I'll explain, as driving cars is my life and job.

Drifting is a technique the driver uses to turn the car but let its continue on a straight path. Once the driver decides the path must be changed, he can change the direction of the car by either accelerating or braking and turning the front wheels. In a scenario: The 240SX is coming up on a corner, he jerks the wheels to the right for a split second pulling the car hard to the right, but before the car actually leaves the path, the driver jerks the wheels to the left hard. Since the car had full intentions of going to the right, and now centrifugal motion is pulling it hard to the right, the back end will slide. The back wheels on this car are powering it so the driver must have full control over the accelerator not to under or overpower the rear wheels, but just keep the spinning hard enough so the back wheels don’t have traction. The car is still going in a straight line, however the car is pointing in the direction of the corner. Once the corner is reached, he can turn the wheel a little bit to the right to put pressure back on the rear wheels and accelerate the rear wheels. This is drifting. The car approached the corner without losing much speed. If he didn't drift, he would of had to brake, slowing the car down not to under or oversteer the car. That was a nice drift that 240SX did. w00t for him. Now we have a EG Civic, Mr. Initial D (and you should know if watching that show why you cant drift a FF car), who wants to drift. Now as the EG enters the corner, he will do the same technique by going right for a split second but sharply pulling it back. However, he will have to accelerate VERY HARD and actually make the car pull hard right and hard left, while braking with the left foot, to break the rear end lose. Since the front wheels are doing most of the driving (hehe all of the driving) the car has to move in the direction the wheels are facing, unlike the RWD, in which the car moves in any direction you throw it. So as the back end breaks lose and slides right, the driver will have to ACCEL HARD, while still braking with the left, to break the front tires loose too, since to drift a FWD, it has to be a 4 wheel drift. As the little EG slides sideways, the driver will have to decelerate the car to the point that the tires grip again... once gripped, he'll let go his left foot to regain traction with the rear wheels. That is how you drift a FWD. However, you cannot do it long or in sequence. The rear wheels will re-grip unless spinning out of control. Since the RWD power the backs, he can overaccel to keep the back end loose. The back end in a FWD only slides as much as centrifugal force pulls it. So, you have VERY limited slides and cannot reslide once gripped. So you cannot pull those amazing AE86 slides after slides after slides. If I'm a guessing man, your drifting downhill is just controlled understeer with the e-brake. Drifters dont use the ebrake wink.gif.

Hope this helped.

-Ti

Sorry for the whole Mark Twain thing I got going on.

Hope this helped.

-Ti

Sorry for the whole Mark Twain thing I got going on.

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- - turboinduction   QUOTE (operative @ Oct 21, 2004 - 4:17 PM) My poin...   Oct 21, 2004 - 4:58 PM
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