 got the 5SFTE put on a DYNO, heres the results. actual number finally |
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i figure 220 ish chp and 227ctq. how about you?
13psi. 93 octane gas no additives.   im happy with it for now. once i get cams ill be good.  ps woot. 4 little boxes now This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Nov 6, 2004 - 3:47 PM -------------------- |
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No... the 3SGE and 3SGTE internals are different. The 5SFE is gonna show more big horsepower numbers because of the head design and the HP formula. The FE head design is excellent for making big torque numbers with boost... even a bit better than a GE head. Whenever big torque numbers are calculated with the HP formula... you get big HP numbers (assuming you have a decent rpm range). The FE head, in a sense, is far superior in making low-mid ranged torque. As for lago's reasons... the reason Toyota didn't put a 5SFTE into an alltrac or something... it's all about torque delivery. If you look at itchy's dyno... the torque is maxed out at around 4200-4500 rpms. There is significant drop off between 4500 rpms and 6000 rpms (from a peak of almost 200 ftlbs to around 120 ftlbs)... The 3SGTE on the other hand... does not do this. It maintains its torqueband and doesn't drop off until 7000 rpms or so. It can keep making power with more modifications... but as far as racing is concerned... even though the 5SFTE makes that good amount of torque/hp... it's not in a very effective spot in the powerband. The 3SGTE makes its power where it counts and then some. As for everything else... the 5SFE compression ratio is 9:5:1... Its internals are completely different and no where near as strong as the 3SGTE's. I agree with lagos that a turbo 5SFE will see problems if shortcuts were taken and tuning is not good. The life and death of a custom turbo kit (and the motor) depends on the details you do or do not take care of. As far as making power is concerened, the 5SFTE will always make more low-end to mid-ranged torque than a 3SGTE pound for pound. Displacement and the FE head are the reasons. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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x_itchy_b_x got the 5SFTE put on a DYNO Nov 6, 2004 - 3:06 PM
Digndoug DAMN, thats pretty freaking nice.. now you just ne... Nov 6, 2004 - 3:11 PM funnyboy117 Good job man, you're ahead of my stock ST by l... Nov 6, 2004 - 3:12 PM importceli damn dude mad props, how much did your grand total... Nov 6, 2004 - 3:36 PM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (importceli @ Nov 6, 2004 - 4:36 PM) damn du... Nov 6, 2004 - 3:40 PM importceli so 3grand with internals and install? could i get ... Nov 6, 2004 - 3:53 PM shid Nice Itchy; Nice Can't wait to put down that ... Nov 6, 2004 - 4:30 PM lagos wow, nice numbers. thats about what the swap puts ... Nov 6, 2004 - 5:00 PM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (lagos @ Nov 6, 2004 - 6:00 PM) wow, nice nu... Nov 6, 2004 - 9:26 PM orvillescelica wow!! nice job! much more than i expec... Nov 6, 2004 - 9:35 PM Consynx actually it should be about the same until some he... Nov 6, 2004 - 10:20 PM Hanyo run the quarter mile..
all this horsepower numbe... Nov 6, 2004 - 11:27 PM celicaspeed Thats awsome!You want to go fast drop weight a... Nov 6, 2004 - 11:41 PM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (celicaspeed @ Nov 7, 2004 - 12:41 AM) Thats... Nov 7, 2004 - 12:07 AM Fox-N-It2 Lemme guess stock 5s management with bigger inject... Nov 7, 2004 - 12:28 AM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (Fox-N-It2 @ Nov 7, 2004 - 1:... Nov 7, 2004 - 1:09 AM celicarocker m00oo00ttT!!! badass john!!... Nov 7, 2004 - 1:22 AM NEVERSTOP QUOTE wow, nice numbers. thats about what the swap... Nov 7, 2004 - 1:23 AM Dr_Tweak QUOTE (Hanyo @ Nov 7, 2004 - 4:27 AM) run the... Nov 7, 2004 - 2:17 AM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (raven_101 @ Nov 7, 2004 - 3:17 AM) QUOTE (H... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:29 AM turboinduction itchy b is my hero - great job
5S pride m00t m00t... Nov 7, 2004 - 10:38 AM gtfc115 QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Nov 7, 2004 - 6:23 AM) QUOTE wo... Nov 7, 2004 - 10:40 AM Digndoug It dosnt look like he built it up at all.. he just... Nov 7, 2004 - 11:08 AM lagos here is the thing...the 5sfe is a higher compressi... Nov 7, 2004 - 11:17 AM x_itchy_b_x my 5sfte isnt built at all. ur right. once it is s... Nov 7, 2004 - 11:27 AM Consynx he's passing the time till he can swap, with w... Nov 7, 2004 - 11:44 AM drdos pretty decent number's. Nov 7, 2004 - 11:44 AM NEVERSTOP QUOTE here is the thing...the 5sfe is a higher com... Nov 7, 2004 - 3:12 PM erics1one Nice numbers indeed.
The 13psi on a stock setup d... Nov 7, 2004 - 3:41 PM lagos NEVERSTOP, what happened to your swap, why dont y... Nov 7, 2004 - 5:15 PM FallenHero wow, that's really great man. I am actually s... Nov 7, 2004 - 5:55 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE NEVERSTOP, what happened to your swap, why d... Nov 7, 2004 - 6:24 PM Doge QUOTE wow man.. where have you been the last two ... Nov 7, 2004 - 7:00 PM Consynx 9.5:1 i thought it was 10.5:1 once again, i gues... Nov 7, 2004 - 7:25 PM celicaspeed If you get a piggy back it will do alot more than ... Nov 7, 2004 - 8:44 PM Kwanza26 Good stuff. Excellent numbers... what I'd exp... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:10 PM turboinduction I just read Itchy's last post on the first pag... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:24 PM x_itchy_b_x u guys i have plans for the 5sfte. i want to push ... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:29 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (x_itchy_b_x @ Nov 8, 2004 - 2:29 AM) u guys... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:32 PM spunky393 This is muscle car knowledge coming out, try to fi... Nov 7, 2004 - 9:58 PM lagos my theory is this....if slaping on a turbo, retar... Nov 7, 2004 - 11:02 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE my theory is this....if slaping on a turbo, ... Nov 8, 2004 - 3:35 AM lagos QUOTE and theres a little more than just slappin o... Nov 8, 2004 - 8:34 AM x_itchy_b_x but isnt the 3sge is the same as a 3sgte right?? w... Nov 8, 2004 - 10:56 AM nik its good to see that the guys putting on turbos an... Nov 8, 2004 - 11:57 AM Consynx lol, Neverstop...i liked the comment
this is a li... Nov 8, 2004 - 1:12 PM nik i wish they just would have imported the GT4 Nov 8, 2004 - 1:29 PM spunky393 nice add nik
Also, you're saying life and dea... Nov 8, 2004 - 7:14 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (spunky393 @ Nov 9, 2004 - 12:14 AM) nice ad... Nov 8, 2004 - 7:29 PM lagos QUOTE (Kwanza26 @ Nov 8, 2004 - 5:29 PM) The 3SGTE... Nov 8, 2004 - 7:40 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (lagos @ Nov 9, 2004 - 12:40 AM) QUOTE (Kwan... Nov 8, 2004 - 9:17 PM lagos um...15psi is the limit of the stock ct26 turbo, n... Nov 8, 2004 - 10:13 PM Kwanza26 QUOTE (lagos @ Nov 9, 2004 - 3:13 AM) um...15psi i... Nov 8, 2004 - 10:33 PM lagos http://www.jekylhyderacing.com/HydeMods.htm
Hyde... Nov 8, 2004 - 10:58 PM Consynx since this is running out
what is the max output o... Nov 8, 2004 - 11:12 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE QUOTE
and theres a little more than j... Nov 8, 2004 - 11:46 PM lagos hmm... i never said my car was one of a kind or an... Nov 9, 2004 - 12:25 AM NEVERSTOP QUOTE hmm... i never said my car was one of a kind... Nov 9, 2004 - 12:58 AM Kwanza26 You guys are arguing based on opinion...
Lagos...... Nov 9, 2004 - 1:50 AM Supersprynt Just to interrupt on your buddy Josh, Kwanza. He... Nov 9, 2004 - 8:31 AM spunky393 I can't remember who said that they use to sol... Nov 9, 2004 - 8:54 AM Supersprynt Uh...3SGTE isnt a belief or idea you can believe i... Nov 9, 2004 - 10:21 AM lagos QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Nov 9, 2004 - 8:21 AM) U... Nov 9, 2004 - 10:24 AM Supersprynt i dont think any sort of modification will have th... Nov 9, 2004 - 10:51 AM Nemises thought some of youmight like this if you havent s... Nov 9, 2004 - 12:59 PM Nemises gotta read this is for the 5sfe
Initial dyno test... Nov 9, 2004 - 1:04 PM FallenHero I wonder if it has an air conditioner, or interior... Nov 9, 2004 - 1:50 PM x_itchy_b_x QUOTE (FallenHero @ Nov 9, 2004 - 2:50 PM) I wonde... Nov 9, 2004 - 2:07 PM jayi12-15psi QUOTE since you decided to go on a presonal attack... Nov 9, 2004 - 2:18 PM SlowCelica94 I've lost a lot of respect for you NEVERSTOP. ... Nov 9, 2004 - 3:29 PM Yota I don't understand how NEVERSTOP made an ass o... Nov 9, 2004 - 4:42 PM nik everyone is slingen mud now. Nov 9, 2004 - 5:10 PM x_itchy_b_x im sorry..... i jsut posted up some numbers yes t... Nov 9, 2004 - 5:12 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE I've lost a lot of respect for you NEVER... Nov 9, 2004 - 5:12 PM SlowCelica94 It's not that you replied, thats fine, it... Nov 9, 2004 - 7:36 PM DamDirtyApes i wanan swap in a supra engine... that will pwn bo... Nov 9, 2004 - 9:26 PM spunky393 hold on apes, what kinda race Nov 9, 2004 - 10:41 PM lagos NEVERSTOP, everyone has a different way of looking... Nov 9, 2004 - 11:38 PM celicaspeed I think the 5sfe is a great start but if your like... Nov 10, 2004 - 12:54 AM NEVERSTOP QUOTE you do realize that his motor probably wont ... Nov 10, 2004 - 1:17 AM SlowCelica94 So the arugment is sorta like this. 3s is better. ... Nov 10, 2004 - 2:01 AM
ST204no2 QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Nov 10, 2004 - 2:01 AM)S... Nov 14, 2004 - 3:07 AM SlowCelica94 Also, as far as what Lagos has brough to this site... Nov 10, 2004 - 2:06 AM celicarocker meh.... johns addicted to speed anyway... i give i... Nov 10, 2004 - 9:26 AM ummmx2 well from what i hear..you can get the basic basic... Nov 10, 2004 - 12:13 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE So the arugment is sorta like this. 3s is be... Nov 10, 2004 - 2:40 PM lagos 185 clip - 2000-2500 - yep thats correct
MRT2 Tra... Nov 10, 2004 - 8:12 PM x_itchy_b_x come on though if we didnt base things on price we... Nov 10, 2004 - 9:23 PM NEVERSTOP QUOTE come on though if we didnt base things on pr... Nov 10, 2004 - 9:29 PM t-spoon Just FYI, the 3sgte can in fact handle more than 1... Nov 11, 2004 - 2:00 AM OOBE Dude, back home (Puero Rico), there's more peo... Nov 11, 2004 - 11:59 AM celicarocker QUOTE (x_itchy_b_x @ Nov 10, 2004 - 10:23 PM) come... Nov 11, 2004 - 12:58 PM Supersprynt QUOTE (SlowCelica94 @ Nov 10, 2004 - 2:06 AM) supe... Nov 11, 2004 - 1:14 PM CheesyLobster Get a 3sgte and bore it. There you got a engine th... Nov 14, 2004 - 4:27 AM x_itchy_b_x the idea is to do sumthing new and creative though... Nov 14, 2004 - 11:58 AM chucho Good job, hope it keeps going strong for ya I ... Nov 14, 2004 - 3:48 PM Doge QUOTEGet a 3sgte and bore it. There you got a engi... Nov 14, 2004 - 10:30 PM ST204no2 QUOTE(Doge @ Nov 14, 2004 - 10:30 PM)QUOTEGet... Nov 15, 2004 - 5:09 AM Punch thats a good idea Dec 9, 2004 - 12:24 AM |
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