5SGTE, Anybody try this/pros cons Options

[Nemises]

Has anybody here attempted to match the 5SFE bottom end with a 3SGTE head. I found this link some guys building one.
http://www.jimsnodgrass.com/enginebuildup.htm

[Doge]

I know for a fact that the 5s block AND crank are stronger and more "beefy." And you're right about the flywheel... you use the 165 flywheel only if you have AWD... in which case you DO use it (or a fidanza). Mabye you dont know but the 165 flywheel IS a 6 bolt pattern... the 185/205 flywheels are 8 bolt. Want proof?
My "not as hard as you think" comment was aimed solely on the task of mating the 3s head to a 5s block. There is no real custom stuff you have to do... it will literally bolt on givin the water jacket holes match up. Notice in my post I said "Doing this for a celica would basically be the same process as a 3s swap..."

And you DO NOT have to have a certain year to mate it... some years have the water passages line up.. some years dont... if it doesnt you have to match them by comparing the head gasket openings to the block and drilling passages where necessary.

You wanna see some pages that cover this topic that describe exactly what i just wrote? Ok here you go... I suggest you read up.

5sfte 1

The casting quality of the block was amazing. Where every 3sgte Ive seen had rough inside walls with casting crap EVERYWHERE... the 5s block was clean and smooth and consistant.. which would promote oil drainage a lot. Not to mention make cracks and fractures less likely... and also reduces the need for deburring.
And the block is BEEFY. Everywhere you look, the block has more "meat" than the 3s block.. its just... beefcake.

5sgte 2

Originally posted by Whitemr291
alright, well how "hard" is it really to put a 3s head on a 5s block, reading over it, it seems really hard  .
-Terry

Very easy. I have built two, one a 2.2L with the 5S block and crank, the other a 2.1L with the 5S block and 3S crank. If you're lucky you don't need to drill coolant passages.. other than that it is a matter of a simple engine rebuild and sourcing the pistons. Chrisk takes care of the pistons.

5sgte 3

The flywheel from an ST165 (All trac Celica, 1st gen) should be used so you can use the turbo tranny.

3sgte Power Primer (the holy grail for 3s info)

the 5S crankshaft is a monster and can be used as is

...I could go on forever...


Next time dont be an asshole when you pick a post apart... believe it or not but some people are as smart as you. And I'm sorry for being an asshole.

This post has been edited by Doge: Nov 15, 2004 - 4:16 PM