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post Sep 19, 2004 - 9:04 PM
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Why wasn't the 6th gen GT-Four ever imported into the United States?


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post Nov 25, 2004 - 6:33 AM
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Hmmm. The turbo restriction was a constructive interpretation of the rules. They broke the spirit, not the letter of the legistlation. F1 cars get away with lots more. It was worth another 50-100bhp. And WRC cars really aren't about power.

The reason they dropped the 205 in favour of the corolla was two fold. The kit car rules meant they didn't have to produce a 4wd turbo nutter corolla available for the public, and the corolla was shorter and taller, enabling better vision and yes, it's more useful on the modern tight technical stages.

Subary used to race the Legacy very sucessfully, and that's a biiiig car. The rallys changed.

The corolla, by the way, was pretty much the ST205 chassis, engine and drivetrain but in a different bodyshell.

Oh, and the engine wasn't a 3S-GTE. It was a 3S-GE BEAMs block with a custom turbocharger and head. And pistons. And pretty much everything else.....

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It was a damn fine rally car. It's a shame we never saw it fully developed and racing for several seasons.


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post Nov 25, 2004 - 7:16 PM
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QUOTE(Mr_E @ Nov 25, 2004 - 5:33 AM)
Hmmm. The turbo restriction was a constructive interpretation of the rules. They broke the spirit, not the letter of the legistlation. F1 cars get away with lots more. It was worth another 50-100bhp. And WRC cars really aren't about power.

It was a damn fine rally car. It's a shame we never saw it fully developed and racing for several seasons.
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I cant say i agree that it was an interprtaion of the rules gone wrong in this senario whatsoever... For those who dont know the full story- here it is. For 1995, the FIA changed the rules with regulation turbo restrictor size, going from 38 mm to 34 mm being the maximum allowed diameter. The celica, already in a so-so position being such a large car, now was deprived of its power advantage it enjoyed in the 1994 season (where the car ran only in the later half, replacing the ST185). All three works drivers we not happy with the situation, and in turn, someone made the decision to have a cleverly concealed and highly illegal moveable restrictor fitted to the cars (nobody ever owned up to making the decision officially, but it is believed to have been Dieter Bulling's idea, TTE Chief Engineer). When this part was checked by officials, it looked exactly as the other teams, but internally, it could be adjusted without having to break the seal, which in turn restored the cars power advantage by increasing the airflow... FIA wasnt the wiser for most of the season until the Langley Park stages in Rally Austrailia, where there were side by side special stage runs with 2 cars at once. The celicas were noticeably faster then their similar output and weight competitors, which prompted an extensive investigation. 6 weeks later at the end of Rally Catalonia the FIA released their findings of the turbo air restrictor, which damningly were previously date stamped in May of 95. TTE was in turn banned from rallying for 12 months, and as a result, Bulling resigned. This pretty much sealed the coffin for the ST205, but it did continue to run in privateer hands until the corolla debuted, with the help of TTE works drivers in some cases. Also, the car was continued to be developed within the privateers, with the fitting of conventional struts to replace the fragile "superstruts", active differentials, and a narrower track, which sorted out the early car's erractic handling tendancies... neverthless the car was never a real competitior anymore mainly due to the lack of the big budget that TTE had previously provided.


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Posts in this topic
- Yota   6g GT Four   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:04 PM
- - Akimbo   Emissions restrictions among other things.   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:08 PM
- - Yota   I'm writing a paper for college about my Celic...   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:09 PM
- - Coomer   I think it's more the market at the time that ...   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:15 PM
- - Yota   one wouldn't think so. Thats a good point   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:20 PM
- - lagos   the 5th gen alltrac didnt sell well at all...so th...   Sep 19, 2004 - 9:44 PM
- - saleeka   emissions, yes, but mostly- cost. Not cost effecti...   Sep 19, 2004 - 10:07 PM
- - boosted_K2   they didnt feel it would sell well since the 5th g...   Sep 19, 2004 - 11:45 PM
- - Digndoug   yeah, but you know if they brought it back out, an...   Sep 19, 2004 - 11:49 PM
- - shid   QUOTE (Digndoug @ Sep 20, 2004 - 4:49 AM) yeah, bu...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:00 AM
- - tengys   I think maybe in the US automotive AWD sport car m...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:01 AM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE (shid @ Sep 20, 2004 - 5:00 AM) QUOTE (Dignd...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:01 AM
- - celicarocker   quick thread hijak.... the coupes were never produ...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:09 AM
- - Yota   did 7th gen celicas come ever have a gt-four/all t...   Sep 20, 2004 - 1:25 AM
- - coustoe   they wanted to sell scions instead.   Sep 20, 2004 - 3:17 AM
- - gt4uk   you can all say its down to emissions/cost/sales.....   Sep 20, 2004 - 6:35 AM
- - lagos   a car like the gt4 wouldnt sell at all in 94, just...   Sep 20, 2004 - 7:27 AM
- - Drocay   QUOTE tengys Posted on Sep 20, 2004 - 12:01 AM ...   Sep 20, 2004 - 9:39 AM
- - tengys   but for sure everybody wants the special one, just...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:42 PM
- - tengys   QUOTE (Drocay @ Sep 20, 2004 - 2:39 PM) QUOTE teng...   Sep 20, 2004 - 12:48 PM
|- - Manta5x   if Rally racing was popular in the U.S then Toyot...   Nov 24, 2004 - 12:08 AM
|- - ParaNoiD   QUOTE(tengys @ Sep 20, 2004 - 5:48 PM)QUOTE(D...   Nov 26, 2004 - 8:14 PM
- - Ricky   Dont forget about the market... more and more peop...   Sep 20, 2004 - 1:00 PM
|- - importceli   QUOTE(Ricky @ Sep 20, 2004 - 11:00 AM)Dont fo...   Nov 23, 2004 - 8:01 PM
- - Shigexile   QUOTE (tengys @ Sep 20, 2004 - 12:42 PM) but for s...   Sep 20, 2004 - 10:53 PM
- - shid   QUOTE (tengys @ Sep 20, 2004 - 5:48 PM) sorry.......   Sep 20, 2004 - 11:46 PM
- - Drocay   exactly shid gets wut i ment, evo= 19psi stock( p...   Sep 21, 2004 - 10:12 AM
|- - Mr_E   QUOTE(Drocay @ Sep 21, 2004 - 10:12 AM)exactl...   Nov 24, 2004 - 10:20 AM
- - CheesyLobster   I don't think the emmisions was an issue reall...   Sep 22, 2004 - 12:39 AM
- - Yota   But I'm sure v8s have a higher standard than I...   Sep 22, 2004 - 1:26 AM
- - rlan214   cuz it has more hp than NA supra   Sep 22, 2004 - 9:14 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   im pretty sure Ricky is right. i read somewhere t...   Nov 24, 2004 - 7:40 AM
- - neoklis   Firstly, don't even think about comparing it w...   Nov 24, 2004 - 10:23 AM
|- - Jehuty   QUOTE(neoklis @ Nov 24, 2004 - 10:23 AM)First...   Nov 24, 2004 - 9:44 PM
|- - saleeka   QUOTE(neoklis @ Nov 24, 2004 - 9:23 AM)Firstl...   Nov 24, 2004 - 10:46 PM
- - Mr_E   Hmmm. The turbo restriction was a constructive int...   Nov 25, 2004 - 6:33 AM
|- - saleeka   QUOTE(Mr_E @ Nov 25, 2004 - 5:33 AM)Hmmm. The...   Nov 25, 2004 - 7:16 PM
- - Mr_E   If you read the regulations they clearly state tha...   Nov 26, 2004 - 6:25 AM
- - creis   I love how you guys are comparing a 10 year old ca...   Nov 27, 2004 - 2:22 AM
- - uzthedentist   I love the way people comment on the speed and han...   Nov 27, 2004 - 10:15 AM
- - zipstrips   after poor sales in 93 they ended the all trac for...   Nov 27, 2004 - 10:52 AM


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