Dec 30, 2004 - 3:20 AM
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You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that !
so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ? A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels, over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp ! i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road.. So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III. I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!! on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ?? anyone know ?? -------------------- ![]() Life is for living, and you don't get a second chance Take care now !! |
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Dec 30, 2004 - 3:41 AM
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QUOTE(popstar @ Dec 30, 2004 - 2:20 AM) You Guy's know all about weight and power ratio's and stuff like that ! so is a stock GT-4 really any more powerful than stock GT ? A GT-4 has 250 ish bhp ! but the extra weight of the fwd running gear and the extra effort required to drive four wheels, over just two wheels a stock GT (SS III) at 210 ish bhp ! i'm probable so wrong but i think the GT has got more power on the road.. So many guy's out here think the GT-4 four is such a quick car, and are supprised when (with my bad driving and such),there's not much in a head to head with a SS III. I raced one of the lights the other week with no real conclusion due to trafffic and road conditions and care of our cars !!!!! on paper in a straight drag, what are the facts, who will be quickest ?? anyone know ?? [right][snapback]228103[/snapback][/right] I wont jump on you, because you're obviously new to this. 1. First things first. Since this site is composed of mostly Americans, a "GT" as you put it is a 2.2L 135 crank HP FWD car. If you are referring to a SSIII or any others, please use that term. 2. The SSIII with the Beams engine wasn't available til late, like 1998 if I remember right, whereas the GT4 started its prime back in 94. And even if you got the Beams (you lucky dogs you) you got just shy of 200 HP and roughly 150 in torque. Otherwise, it was 177HP and 142 in torque. 3. The GT4 has just over 250 HP adn 225 in torque. The car is also AWD. Amazing. 4. Despite what all the FWD racers will tell you, a AWD is better. Its better in everything. Racing, drag, drifting, turning, stopping, starting, EVERYTHING. The only thing some might bark at now is the oh-so-great "hey, what about the rolling start." Well, those people can kiss my ass because they dont know how a car launches otherwise they wouldn't bring that up. Now you can say, hey mister, you dont know what your talking about, my FWD is fast. Well I've got a great depth in FWD, RWD, and AWD. In fact, I've owned a FWD and AWD Eclipse. Now, I say, thats a great example. Theres a car with the same engine, same body, and the only difference between the two is the drivetrain. HANDS DOWN, I'd pick the AWD. Launching a well built car at near redline and not getting anything except a slight chirp of the tires is the most beautiful sound one's ears can admire. Now for my in-depth anyalsis. You experienced something my friend. Something I'll call VVTi. Why you thought the Beams was faster was the sudden burst of engine once you hit VVT. Thus at a highway speed, stomping on the gas gave the engine enough rpms to use the VVTi power and WAM you were off. Now granting, I love the Beams and love the SSIII. Great car, and oh boy, I'd love for our crappy 7A and 5S's to disappear from the US shores, but NOTHING will top the GT4 except a different car. The end -Ti (also when I refer to you, I'm referring to the reader until the final paragraph where I talk about your drive in a SSIII) This post has been edited by turboinduction: Dec 30, 2004 - 12:08 PM |
popstar GT-4 vs GT Dec 30, 2004 - 3:20 AM
blackbullet i think that when the race is on and the turbo sta... Dec 30, 2004 - 3:33 AM
doGGy i knew a guy who owned a GT4 and his brother owns ... Dec 30, 2004 - 3:36 AM
doGGy QUOTE1. First things first. Since this site is com... Dec 30, 2004 - 3:47 AM
turboinduction QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 30, 2004 - 2:47 AM)QUOTE1. ... Dec 30, 2004 - 3:49 AM
doGGy No Ti, you are right... i was wrong ... red top ... Dec 30, 2004 - 4:01 AM
97sccelica eh
who drives stock?
a gt4 is a turbo car, and s... Dec 30, 2004 - 4:12 AM
creis I think its probibly a close race but with good dr... Dec 30, 2004 - 4:15 AM
macavely well being that i have never driven eith a 6gc-GT... Dec 30, 2004 - 5:09 AM
popstar Thanks guy's
it's still not answered t... Dec 30, 2004 - 6:00 AM
doGGy Celicas came ONLY with red top beams engine, black... Dec 30, 2004 - 6:07 AM
popstar Cheers Doggy
where do you get all this info fr... Dec 30, 2004 - 6:12 AM
Jehuty I can think of one big disadvantage to awd taht ma... Dec 30, 2004 - 11:47 AM
turboinduction QUOTE(Jehuty @ Dec 30, 2004 - 10:47 AM)I can ... Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 PM
Jehuty QUOTE(turboinduction @ Dec 30, 2004 - 12:12 P... Dec 30, 2004 - 10:17 PM
Negative [/quote]
Take the pain? The thing that takes the ... Jan 7, 2005 - 5:56 PM
Kwanza26 I wouldn't worry about launching an AWD car...... Dec 30, 2004 - 1:26 PM
recycle when u go side by side with magic at 150kph and he... Dec 30, 2004 - 2:09 PM
DamDirtyApes QUOTE(recycle @ Dec 30, 2004 - 7:09 PM)when u... Dec 30, 2004 - 2:27 PM
recycle QUOTE(DamDirtyApes @ Dec 30, 2004 - 10:27 PM)... Dec 30, 2004 - 2:35 PM
Magic Guys this is wrong,you are comparing 2 cars that a... Dec 30, 2004 - 4:43 PM
erics1one Anyone have the weight specs for these models we... Dec 30, 2004 - 6:53 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(erics1one @ Dec 30, 2004 - 11:53 PM)Any... Dec 30, 2004 - 10:36 PM
redtcel QUOTE
2 turboinduction.
i don't know if it wa... Dec 30, 2004 - 7:06 PM
saleeka gt-fours debued in 87 i thought, and all the 4th g... Dec 30, 2004 - 9:12 PM
erics1one So weight reduction on a GT, with a beefed up 3SGT... Dec 30, 2004 - 11:44 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(erics1one @ Dec 31, 2004 - 4:44 AM)So w... Dec 31, 2004 - 2:13 AM
maikl hi magic NO COMMENT!!!!!... Jan 2, 2005 - 10:08 AM
Mr_E ST205 is significantly *lighter* than a ST185.
An... Jan 4, 2005 - 5:58 PM
popstar Sorry guy's
tipo big time it's a... Jan 6, 2005 - 5:50 AM
_rz_ Hi eveybody. Thoudht I'll add my 2 cents to th... Jan 6, 2005 - 12:23 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(_rz_ @ Jan 6, 2005 - 5:23 PM)Hi eveybod... Jan 6, 2005 - 9:04 PM
popstar QUOTE(_rz_ @ Jan 6, 2005 - 12:23 PM)
Sorry fo... Jan 7, 2005 - 2:56 AM
recycle so from what u are saying an ss2 is faster than ss... Jan 6, 2005 - 1:04 PM
_rz_ QUOTE(recycle @ Jan 6, 2005 - 10:04 PM)so fro... Jan 6, 2005 - 1:12 PM
97sccelica QUOTE(Jehuty @ Dec 30, 2004 - 7:17 PM)QUOTE(t... Jan 7, 2005 - 1:31 AM
Lenny_mc ive got an ss111 and there is no way that it will ... Jan 7, 2005 - 5:08 AM
Lenny_mc @ kwanza - you ever driven a beams? the whole poin... Jan 7, 2005 - 5:15 AM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(Lenny_mc @ Jan 7, 2005 - 10:15 AM)@ kwa... Jan 7, 2005 - 10:45 AM
turboinduction QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 7, 2005 - 9:45 AM)QUOTE(... Jan 7, 2005 - 5:40 PM
Lenny_mc the beams motor is a great motor and im sure with ... Jan 7, 2005 - 5:17 AM
Mr_E QUOTE(Lenny_mc @ Jan 7, 2005 - 5:17 AM)
Actu... Jan 7, 2005 - 6:37 AM
popstar Mr E or anyone out there ?
when where the las... Jan 7, 2005 - 7:08 AM
Mr_E 1999 was the last of the ST205s I believe. Post 19... Jan 7, 2005 - 9:39 AM
popstar QUOTE(Mr_E @ Jan 7, 2005 - 9:39 AM)1999 was t... Jan 10, 2005 - 6:16 AM
richgt4 QUOTE(popstar @ Jan 10, 2005 - 11:16 AM)QUOTE... Jan 10, 2005 - 6:40 AM
Negative BTW - VVTi does kick around 4500RPM - even my ... Jan 7, 2005 - 6:10 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(Negative @ Jan 7, 2005 - 11:10 PM)BTW -... Jan 7, 2005 - 8:11 PM
turboinduction QUOTETake the pain? The thing that takes the pain ... Jan 8, 2005 - 1:51 AM
richgt4 Well that took some time to read through. Happy Ne... Jan 8, 2005 - 8:25 PM
soundmangt4 QUOTEI personally witnessed a brand new WRX break ... Jan 9, 2005 - 6:16 AM
Insanity-74 I`ve gotta agree with soundmangt4, the GT SSIII wo... Jan 9, 2005 - 6:36 AM
Mr_E I actually know very few instances of a ST205 havi... Jan 9, 2005 - 6:52 AM
popstar Thanks Rich Jan 10, 2005 - 7:22 AM
Mr_E I don't know how many 98/99 spec cars there ar... Jan 10, 2005 - 1:17 PM
popstar QUOTE(Mr_E @ Jan 10, 2005 - 1:17 PM)I don... Jan 11, 2005 - 12:54 AM
_rz_ QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 7, 2005 - 7:45 PM)QUOTE(... Jan 11, 2005 - 11:14 AM
mmorg3053 No disrespect to any non GT4 owners but to be hone... Jan 13, 2005 - 2:22 PM
Supersprynt Yeah this is true I dont kno why this is debated.
... Jan 13, 2005 - 2:24 PM
Lenny_mc my bad kwanza. i totally misunderstood the vvt-i s... Jan 14, 2005 - 6:30 AM
maikl yes!!!!! it realy does kick ar... Jan 14, 2005 - 3:46 PM
Kwanza26 Whatever makes you guys feel better. You've a... Jan 14, 2005 - 4:00 PM
Hanyo QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 14, 2005 - 2:00 PM)Oh we... Jan 14, 2005 - 4:17 PM
Magic Kwanza26 Did you ever drive a 4WD sports car???Fir... Jan 14, 2005 - 4:26 PM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(Magic @ Jan 14, 2005 - 9:26 PM)Kwanza26... Jan 14, 2005 - 9:35 PM
Mr_E QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 14, 2005 - 9:35 PM) The ... Jan 15, 2005 - 6:14 AM
Magic Kwanza26 my previous cars,ALL JDM and heavy modifi... Jan 15, 2005 - 4:10 AM
Kwanza26 QUOTE(Magic @ Jan 15, 2005 - 9:10 AM)Kwanza26... Jan 15, 2005 - 1:11 PM
recycle Kwanza26 my friend u are talking bull sh it . EVER... Jan 15, 2005 - 6:24 PM
Kwanza26 Hahah... you guys can talk all you want. It doesn... Jan 15, 2005 - 11:56 PM

Mr_E QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 15, 2005 - 11:56 PM)and ... Jan 16, 2005 - 9:41 AM
Mr_E QUOTE(recycle @ Jan 15, 2005 - 6:24 PM)
when ... Jan 16, 2005 - 9:57 AM
recycle QUOTE(Mr_E @ Jan 16, 2005 - 5:57 PM)QUOTE(rec... Jan 16, 2005 - 1:45 PM
Mr_E QUOTE(recycle @ Jan 16, 2005 - 1:45 PM)
can u... Jan 16, 2005 - 1:46 PM
spunky393 I don't know why i have the impulse, but i... Jan 15, 2005 - 3:08 PM
Magic for all you GT4 owners lets built an "Army... Jan 15, 2005 - 6:02 PM
recycle and cos u mentioned the short wrc life of st205 le... Jan 15, 2005 - 6:29 PM
recycle but is impossible for a stock fwd celica to overst... Jan 16, 2005 - 3:13 PM
doGGy Lets send this topic to best motoring, and let the... Jan 18, 2005 - 3:07 AM
popstar ok guy's we've got another meet on saturda... Jan 18, 2005 - 8:18 AM![]() ![]() |
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