New types of turbo's in the works., Interesting....READ!! Options

[d3monc3lica]

I was looking thru the new HCI magazine and i came across 2 new forms of turbo induction.


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Squires Turbo Systems (STS)
The first being a new idea first tested on an Acura Integra (go figure) , but it had outstanding results. The turbo setup was situated in the back of the vehicle, under the wheel well!! Where the muffler was supposed to be, the turbo, filter and wastegate were located.........

Acura Integra STS


Turbo Assembly


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The second interesting new induction method was created by Cry02, it basically utilzes compressed carbon dioxide gas to power a compressor similar to the compressors that are found on turbo setups. Looks like it could have potential, however finding information on it is becomming a loss for now, ill update when i find more on it.

[spunky393]

it's a freaking type R, i was wondering why the no. were so low in the 1/8 and 1/4

[Jehuty]

That's rediculous. This has got to be a play by a shop that doesn't have what it takes to properly fit a turbo.

1. Turbines are spun be HEAT. That's why turbos are mated right up to manifolds. Putting the turbo way back there looks like a good way to shed alot of heat....

2. I see cold water slpashing all over an orange-hot turbine housing.... I see... small cracks appearing over time.... I see.... small cracks turning into big cracks....

I'm all for trying new things, but this really looks like a hack job to me. I've seen a write up on it in a magazine once, and I was suprised they took it seriously.

[WannabeGT4]

1. Turbines are spun be HEAT. That's why turbos are mated right up to manifolds. Putting the turbo way back there looks like a good way to shed alot of heat....
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You sure about that?

[Jehuty]

1. Turbines are spun be HEAT. That's why turbos are mated right up to manifolds. Putting the turbo way back there looks like a good way to shed alot of heat....
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You sure about that?
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Altho a turbine wheel looks like a "pinwheel" or a "fan", it is a common miconception that its actually designed to work with exhaust pulses hitting the vanes. While exhaust pulses pushing the vanes soes come into play as a sort of secondary order force, turbines really are powered by heat.

Thats why if you look at the exit of a turbo manifold, the ports are pretty small. This would seem to go against the "less backpressure is better" rull for turbo cars, but that adviceonly applies to exhaust after the turbine. Forcing the fresh exhaust gasses thru a small space makes them hotter, which means they have more energy. Once the gasses enter the turbine housing, they expand into the larger spce, and dissapate heat. Again, the turbine wheel is not a "waterwheel" design. That is to say, it's not desigened to catch pulses around it's circumfrence. It's designed to harness the expansion of gasses and therefore the dissapation of heat.

[shid]

1. Turbines are spun be HEAT. That's why turbos are mated right up to manifolds. Putting the turbo way back there looks like a good way to shed alot of heat....
[right][snapback]230750[/snapback][/right]

You sure about that?
[right][snapback]230755[/snapback][/right]

Altho a turbine wheel looks like a "pinwheel" or a "fan", it is a common miconception that its actually designed to work with exhaust pulses hitting the vanes. While exhaust pulses pushing the vanes soes come into play as a sort of secondary order force, turbines really are powered by heat.

Thats why if you look at the exit of a turbo manifold, the ports are pretty small. This would seem to go against the "less backpressure is better" rull for turbo cars, but that adviceonly applies to exhaust after the turbine. Forcing the fresh exhaust gasses thru a small space makes them hotter, which means they have more energy. Once the gasses enter the turbine housing, they expand into the larger spce, and dissapate heat. Again, the turbine wheel is not a "waterwheel" design. That is to say, it's not desigened to catch pulses around it's circumfrence. It's designed to harness the expansion of gasses and therefore the dissapation of heat.
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Thats incorrect. Forcing the gasses through a small space doesn't make them any hotter, but it raises the pressure of air hitting the turbine. The turbine wheel is a waterwheel design, it does catch gas and thats what spins the turbine- it catches gas by the expansion of the heat from the engine which then forced into a smaller opening raising the pressure the force by which the turbine spins.

The reason the manifolds aren't 3 inches big is not because backpressure is good before the turbine, it's to limit and focus the amount of surface space of the air particles hitting the turbine. if the manifold is too big pressure across the entire fan drops, creating a longer spool time and a less efficient turbo.