New types of turbo's in the works., Interesting....READ!! Options

[d3monc3lica]

I was looking thru the new HCI magazine and i came across 2 new forms of turbo induction.


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Squires Turbo Systems (STS)
The first being a new idea first tested on an Acura Integra (go figure) , but it had outstanding results. The turbo setup was situated in the back of the vehicle, under the wheel well!! Where the muffler was supposed to be, the turbo, filter and wastegate were located.........

Acura Integra STS


Turbo Assembly


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The second interesting new induction method was created by Cry02, it basically utilzes compressed carbon dioxide gas to power a compressor similar to the compressors that are found on turbo setups. Looks like it could have potential, however finding information on it is becomming a loss for now, ill update when i find more on it.

[shid]

A turbo works almost exactly like a gas turbine engine (Link: http://travel.howstuffworks.com/turbine.htm )

and here's how turbochargers work:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

because heated gases take up more space than cool gases; you are correct in saying without heat, the gasses would cool and take up less space- less pressure. However, you are incorrect in saying that the air does not move the turbine like a waterwheel- it is exactly like that.

[Jehuty]

A turbo works almost exactly like a gas turbine engine (Link: http://travel.howstuffworks.com/turbine.htm )

and here's how turbochargers work:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

because heated gases take up more space than cool gases; you are correct in saying without heat, the gasses would cool and take up less space- less pressure. However, you are incorrect in saying that the air does not move the turbine like a waterwheel- it is exactly like that.
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Oh, I see. I was just trying to illustrate the difference between the way many people think a turbine works and the way it acutally does. That is, the picture many (if not most) people get in their head is that of the exhaust gasses "blowing" the turbine wheel. Hmmm, even that description can be ambiguous. Anyhow, yeah it's hard to clearly converse about. But I think we're on the same page. I hope I didn't make it more confusing than it needed to be by trying to explain myself.

[Jehuty]

... exhaust gasses "blowing" the turbine wheel.  Hmmm, even that description can be ambiguous...
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I'm going to run out of ways to say this. I'm trying to point out the distiction between flowing gasses simply pushing the turbine around, and energy (heat) being reclaimed by the turbine wheel. And while you could say that flowing gasses do indeed simply push the turbine around, I think it's worth making the distinction.

And after all this, bleading the heat from the exhaust before it reaches the turbine still hurts the performance of the turbine. Re-interpretation of my admittedly gray-area language doesn't change that.

[shid]

... exhaust gasses "blowing" the turbine wheel.  Hmmm, even that description can be ambiguous...
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I'm going to run out of ways to say this. I'm trying to point out the distiction between flowing gasses simply pushing the turbine around, and energy (heat) being reclaimed by the turbine wheel. And while you could say that flowing gasses do indeed simply push the turbine around, I think it's worth making the distinction.

And after all this, bleading the heat from the exhaust before it reaches the turbine still hurts the performance of the turbine. Re-interpretation of my admittedly gray-area language doesn't change that.
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What you don't seem to realize is that a turbine would spin just fine even if there was no heat energy. Energy is energy; and the turbine changes that form of energy. Thats all. Heat has no special part in driving the turbine any more than blowing on a uhh.. one of those hand head windmill spinner things does.

You're getting confused because you believe that the transfer of energy is straight from the hot air (heat energy) to kinetic energy in the turbine; thats not true. The heat energy makes NO direct thermodynamic transfer to the turbine wheels.

here's what it comes down to; in a supermarket there is a revolving door. People want to get into the supermarket so they cram in together; and the revolving door takes lik 4 people at a time.

Inside the store, they get fat because they open and eat all the candybars, and they only leave one at a time- but they're still the ones pushing the door.



Inside the engine, close proximity air molecules are combusted and heated so that they take up more space. This explosive force directly drives the turbine; heat has no direct relation to it.

yes, it still would be a bad idea to give the molecules a chance to cool down and group together; but thats not the same thing.