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post Feb 17, 2005 - 11:34 PM
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Alright I've decided to go down the 7AFTE route. I want to know all the upgrades to the internals and any other upgrades that would allow me to get 14-20 psi for racing if this is possible and around 8-10 for regular street driving. Also would someone describe what blueprinting the engine means and if this would help. Also is there any way to run perhaps a dry or wet shot of NO2 to increse hp or there no internal upgrades strong enough to allow boost and nitrous?
 
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post Feb 19, 2005 - 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(nik @ Feb 18, 2005 - 12:39 PM)
if you want to push 14-20 psi

new rods
new pistons
head work ( I would swap )
hone or bore heck custom sleeves
ems piggy or stand alone
t3 super 60 or t3 t4
electric BC
manifold (log are ok but i would go custom)
there is most of the man stuff
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head swap is not needed imo needless to say nik knows more on the subject
but you CAN achieve 12-14 easily and safely without a head swap you might even be able to reach 20
as i stated

get custom piston LOW CR <---must
get custom rods <---------------must
Bore to 83mm 84mm if your lucky--IMO a must
port and polish the head <------must
3 angle vavle job <--------------must
255lph fuel pump<---------------must
bigger fuel lines <-------------not neccassary
bigger fuel injectors <-----------must
intercooler <----------------------MUST
BOV <-----------------------------needed
greddy profec <------------------must ----this is your engine management system
3" downpipe back exhaust <---needed
custom header <-----------------must
T3/T04e turbo external wastegate <----must LOL
stage 3 clutch----------------------needed
rebuild tranny --------------------needed (titanium parts if you can find them)
boost/ air,fuel/ EGT/ oil pressure/ oil temp/ water temp -----all goood to have gauges
SYNTHETIC OIL------------------NEEDED

if you wanna go CRAZY
i might be on crack but
lighten crank
bore the throttle body
water injection
rework the intake manifold (bore or what ever they do to it)
heat wrap to wrap your intercooler piping and manifold (keeps temps down in the engine bay)
maybe port and polish the exhaust side of things on the motor


BE a GOOD kid say NO TO DRUGS SAY NO TO NOS
thats just a no no for this kind of motor/setup

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post Feb 19, 2005 - 2:06 AM
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 19, 2005 - 5:21 AM)
head swap is not needed imo needless to say nik knows more on the subject
but you CAN achieve 12-14 easily and safely without a head swap you might even be able to reach 20
as i stated

get custom piston LOW CR <---must
get custom rods <---------------must
Bore to 83mm 84mm if your lucky--IMO a must
port and polish the head <------must
3 angle vavle job <--------------must
255lph fuel pump<---------------must
bigger fuel lines <-------------not neccassary
bigger fuel injectors <-----------must
intercooler <----------------------MUST
BOV <-----------------------------needed
greddy profec <------------------must ----this is your engine management system
3" downpipe back exhaust <---needed
custom header <-----------------must
T3/T04e turbo external wastegate <----must LOL
stage 3 clutch----------------------needed
rebuild tranny --------------------needed (titanium parts if you can find them)
boost/ air,fuel/ EGT/ oil pressure/ oil temp/ water temp -----all goood to have gauges
SYNTHETIC OIL------------------NEEDED

if you wanna go CRAZY
i might be on crack but
lighten crank
bore the throttle body
water injection
rework the intake manifold (bore or what ever they do to it)
heat wrap to wrap your intercooler piping and manifold (keeps temps down in the engine bay)
maybe port and polish the exhaust side of things on the motor
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You should really really really NOT preach the gospel especially when you really don't have a clue what you're going on about.

First off... let's say your ultimate goal is to hit 20psi. You don't need to bore the block... and the MAX limits on a 7A block is 83mm. That is the MAXIMUM spec and beyond that you're compromising strength and your limbs. You don't need to port/polish the head, although it would be nice to change the flow patterns. With the FE head and forced induction... it's not about the ability to flow. It's about the flow pattern and the velocity... where it peaks, where it flattens, etc. This reflects directly back the torque band. You don't need to do a 3 angle cut... I'm afraid to even ask you player... if you even know what that is rolleyes.gif ... Fuel system upgrades are mandatory (pump, injectors). Bigger fuel lines... well... that sounds kinda funny... something someone who doesn't really know what he's talking about would say. Some sort of piggyback fuel controller or management system would also be mandatory, along with at least a 2 bar MAP sensor. The stock sensor is not gonna work at 20psi and the stock computer won't be able to read out the increased charged air. A 3" downpipe is not needed, but would be nice to have along with a larger diameter exhaust system. A custom header... or what we just say, a turbo manifold wink.gif will be needed along with a turbo capable of spooling efficiently, 20 pounds of boost. A stage 3 clutch is not needed, but should be high on the list unless you like eating through clutches every few thousand miles. Rebuilding the tranny with "titanium" parts... heh. The general rule with titanium... don't make parts with titanium that "wear"... Titanium eats away at other metals and is not very comfortable around other metals. Hence why you don't see titanium engines and pistons and such in production cars. So in a tranny... umm... heh. A rebuilt tranny would be nice... but not needed if your current tranny is in good shape. The MAIN weakness and the biggest limiting factor... Rods and Pistons. The stock pistons can probably hold their own for a little while at 20psi so long as you run a good amount of fuel (slightly rich)... but don't plan on the long haul. Custom low-compression pistons and rods is pretty much mandatory if you wanna make this engine last.

Now for the "Crack"... which you do sound like you're on player...
Lightening the crank. Umm... not needed for a turbo set-up. Lightening the crank is risky business not to mention almost redundant in a f/i set-up because of way a turbo set-up works. Light crank, light fly, etc... reduces load and when extreme, can affect spool, which relys a lot of load. Water injection is a safety thing and would be nice to have... Modified throttle body... well... ehh... it only work if you port match the entire intake manifold. At that point... might as well get a completely different TB and manifold. ITBs anyone? Heat wrap isn't neccesary either... nor is "porting the exhaust side of things". That would be included with "Port and Polish"...

To close... as you all may know... I've singled out playr158 today as my annoyance. It's nice that he's doing his research, reading up on some of the more knowledgeable discussions... but don't be quick to pass it on if you don't know what it is. It may seem mean... but some people don't "get" it until it comes to this. For the most part... I think the original question is too general and too uninformed. There is a LOT of information out there to gather, and to ask such detailed questions without even knowing simple things is not worth the time to explain it... unless I'm annoyed or angry... tis why I barely respond to some of these questions anymore. For now... the information is what it is. I'm sorry playr for singling you out... but if you know you can't chew it... don't take such big bites brotha... ;]


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- 94ST2   7AFTE   Feb 17, 2005 - 11:34 PM
- - playr158   wow sumbody has HIIIIIIIIGH ambitions but thats gr...   Feb 17, 2005 - 11:45 PM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 17, 2005 - 9:45 PM) and...   Feb 17, 2005 - 11:48 PM
- - playr158   hey i actually plan on eventually doing everything...   Feb 17, 2005 - 11:52 PM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 18, 2005 - 4:52 AM)hey i...   Feb 17, 2005 - 11:56 PM
- - 94ST2   Yeah I dont want to do the head swap. What advant...   Feb 18, 2005 - 12:20 AM
- - 94ST2   OK forgot to add if I do the upgrades listed above...   Feb 18, 2005 - 12:24 AM
- - Exile04   how much would that stuff posted cost about? cuz i...   Feb 18, 2005 - 12:28 AM
- - 94ST2   Yeah I already have a job doin yardwork and im goi...   Feb 18, 2005 - 12:45 AM
- - Dr_Tweak   The things that are cool about doing the GE head s...   Feb 18, 2005 - 1:57 AM
- - 94ST2   Yeah, but doing the head swap adds a lot more mone...   Feb 18, 2005 - 2:03 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(94ST2 @ Feb 18, 2005 - 12:03 AM)Yeah, b...   Feb 18, 2005 - 12:39 PM
- - playr158   QUOTE(nik @ Feb 18, 2005 - 12:39 PM)if you wa...   Feb 19, 2005 - 12:21 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 19, 2005 - 5:21 AM)head ...   Feb 19, 2005 - 2:06 AM
- - Mike431635   Everything playr mentioned looks good, but I sugge...   Feb 19, 2005 - 2:03 AM
- - MonsterBOX   or u could get a 3sgte for the same price and prob...   Feb 19, 2005 - 2:04 AM
- - 94ST2   Wow lots of info from you guys and some contradict...   Feb 19, 2005 - 2:38 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(94ST2 @ Feb 19, 2005 - 7:38 AM)Wow lots...   Feb 19, 2005 - 3:02 AM
- - 94ST2   I said I didnt care how long the information was a...   Feb 19, 2005 - 3:15 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(94ST2 @ Feb 19, 2005 - 8:15 AM)I said I...   Feb 19, 2005 - 1:20 PM
- - playr158   I've singled out playr158 today as my annoyanc...   Feb 19, 2005 - 4:39 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 19, 2005 - 9:39 PM)and 8...   Feb 20, 2005 - 3:31 AM
- - playr158   yea i will in future but there were only 2 assumpt...   Feb 20, 2005 - 12:19 PM
- - nik   ok i'll just break down a basic set up 9-10 o...   Feb 20, 2005 - 3:27 PM
- - d3monc3lica   w000t i cant wait til summer, my kits just sitting...   Feb 20, 2005 - 11:25 PM
- - 94ST2   OK as for the 20 psi I figured that pushing 14-20 ...   Feb 22, 2005 - 12:55 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(94ST2 @ Feb 21, 2005 - 10:55 PM)OK as f...   Feb 22, 2005 - 11:16 AM
- - brianforster   kwanza is the man, i mean seriously, id go with an...   Feb 22, 2005 - 11:30 AM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(brianforster @ Feb 22, 2005 - 9:30 AM)k...   Feb 22, 2005 - 11:52 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(FallenHero @ Feb 22, 2005 - 9:52 AM)QUO...   Feb 22, 2005 - 1:16 PM
- - Kwanza26   thanks for the compliments fellas.   Feb 22, 2005 - 5:13 PM
- - playr158   word kwanza is a great dictionary not a bible   Feb 22, 2005 - 11:14 PM
- - 94ST2   Thanks for all the replys guys as for the head wor...   Feb 23, 2005 - 1:51 AM
- - 94ST2   Does anyone know how much boost the Garrett T25 tu...   Feb 24, 2005 - 1:50 AM
|- - BBoYRuGGeD   QUOTE(94ST2 @ Feb 24, 2005 - 6:50 AM)Does any...   Feb 24, 2005 - 10:19 AM
- - nik   this is IMAO but i think just the T3 bottom trim i...   Feb 24, 2005 - 12:15 PM
- - playr158   i suggest a t3/t04 its a great turbo IMO gets mini...   Feb 24, 2005 - 5:17 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 24, 2005 - 3:17 PM)i sug...   Feb 24, 2005 - 5:30 PM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   yah i hear ya guys... the T3 is probably a better ...   Feb 24, 2005 - 5:45 PM
- - playr158   anywhere with a corrolla kit i guess nah the T3/T...   Feb 24, 2005 - 6:20 PM
- - FallenHero   Zipstrips used a T3To4b and swaped to a T3 because...   Feb 25, 2005 - 12:07 AM
- - 94ST2   How much boost is the T3 or T3/T04 capable of?   Feb 25, 2005 - 2:24 AM
- - initialdrift55   i believe around 300-350 correct me if im wrong   Feb 25, 2005 - 2:27 AM
- - 94ST2   Yeah that is the hp but im talkin about how much p...   Feb 25, 2005 - 2:40 AM
- - playr158   the t3 and t3/t04 can both handle that HP your eng...   Feb 25, 2005 - 3:46 PM
|- - nik   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 25, 2005 - 1:46 PM)don...   Feb 25, 2005 - 10:53 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(playr158 @ Feb 25, 2005 - 8:46 PM)the t...   Feb 26, 2005 - 1:55 PM
- - 94ST2   All talk about the hp but none about the psi capab...   Feb 28, 2005 - 1:04 AM
- - playr158   the HP talk is related to PSI or vice versa if yo...   Feb 28, 2005 - 1:10 AM
- - 94ST2   Yeah I realize that but if you buy a turbo that ca...   Feb 28, 2005 - 1:25 AM
- - Exile04   ok say i buy a 7afe fro ma junk yard, build up int...   Feb 28, 2005 - 2:39 AM
|- - nik   QUOTE(Exile04 @ Feb 28, 2005 - 12:39 AM)ok sa...   Feb 28, 2005 - 10:40 AM
- - playr158   hrrm a boost limit for the t3 or t3/t04 i don...   Feb 28, 2005 - 10:13 AM


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