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post Mar 8, 2005 - 4:16 PM
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It's gone, for the time being...signatures are being reformed so that we no longer have to suffer through waiting for everyone's large signature images to load. In the near future(hopefully later today), images will no longer be allowed in signatures.

Avatar settings have changed to allow for images up to 90x70 pixels, rather than the smaller 64 x64, but animations are still not allowed.

Feel free to discuss here in this thread. I'll go into my reasons for this if you guys want.


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post Mar 8, 2005 - 6:22 PM
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1. Signature images are distracting, and they take away from the discussion in some cases. I often read questions about peoples' signatures in the on-topic forums, where it takes away from the topic that the thread is actually about.

2. Loading large signature images is slow. Not everyone can afford broadband, some people can't get broadband at their location(me), etc.

3. Hosted signatures take away from this site's bandwidth. When a large image(or several...lots of people's signature images are images uploaded onto their profile) from the 6GC server is loaded on every topic that a person posts on for every visitor, that adds up to a ton of bandwidth. True, caching helps immensely with this, but the site's server still takes a large bandwidth hit from signatures hosted on the site.

4. Large signature images often disrupt the flow of the page, forcing some people to scrolll sideways just to read a post(that is stretched by a large signature.) Unless I host signature all images on the site(and require an upload form for them), I can't control the size of people's signatures effectively. I experimented with using javascript to resize the display dimensions of the images, but it didn't work so well. Additionally, many people wouldn't read a rule outlining signature image size requirements. Others may be confused("What's a pixel?"), or not know how to resize an image.

5. People often host their signature images in their profile. This isn't so bad, if it's just a picture of their car, but when it's their name in a fancy font or whatever and nothing else, it should not be their. For the new stuff that I'm working on, this is very undesired, because it makes my random image generator display non-Celica images. Though management can and often does remove images in profiles, we can't see all of them and remove all non-Celica photos.

6. A discussion forum is made to be just that - a discussion forum. Photos at the bottom of every single person's post just takes away from this idea. If people want to look at photos, there are threads asking for photos, and member profiles.

That's why there currently are no images allowed in signatures. Though I can see why you guys like them.

The bottom line is that if people would listen to a rule and have small signatures(probably under 300x100 pixels), I'd probably put them back. But I can't require this due to the nature of linked images, and management doesn't have time to enforce stuff like this constantly.


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post Mar 8, 2005 - 7:12 PM
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1. Signature images are distracting, and they take away from the discussion in some cases. I often read questions about peoples' signatures in the on-topic forums, where it takes away from the topic that the thread is actually about.
maybe if you have ADD...and i've heard more complaints about the google adds distracting people, rather than signatures.

2. Loading large signature images is slow. Not everyone can afford broadband, some people can't get broadband at their location(me), etc.
who's fault is it that they can't keep up with technology? if you spend your entire life downsizing because some people can't keep up, you'll never get anywhere.

3. Hosted signatures take away from this site's bandwidth. When a large image(or several...lots of people's signature images are images uploaded onto their profile) from the 6GC server is loaded on every topic that a person posts on for every visitor, that adds up to a ton of bandwidth. True, caching helps immensely with this, but the site's server still takes a large bandwidth hit from signatures hosted on the site.
restrict the size, and restrict hosting sigs through the site. it can be done.

4. Large signature images often disrupt the flow of the page, forcing some people to scrolll sideways just to read a post(that is stretched by a large signature.) Unless I host signature all images on the site(and require an upload form for them), I can't control the size of people's signatures effectively. I experimented with using javascript to resize the display dimensions of the images, but it didn't work so well. Additionally, many people wouldn't read a rule outlining signature image size requirements. Others may be confused("What's a pixel?"), or not know how to resize an image.
restrict sizes. if someone doesn't know how to resize them, they can request one that someone do it for them. you can set up a rule to automatically resize images, much like is done with avitars and profile pictures...


5. People often host their signature images in their profile. This isn't so bad, if it's just a picture of their car, but when it's their name in a fancy font or whatever and nothing else, it should not be their. For the new stuff that I'm working on, this is very undesired, because it makes my random image generator display non-Celica images. Though management can and often does remove images in profiles, we can't see all of them and remove all non-Celica photos.
this is the arguement as number 3, cept w/ the non-celica thing thrown in. see that response, then you said in your own arguement, we take most out that we find, so this isn't a major issue...

6. A discussion forum is made to be just that - a discussion forum. Photos at the bottom of every single person's post just takes away from this idea. If people want to look at photos, there are threads asking for photos, and member profiles.
it's a form of identification, rather than just a name. it's more visually recognizable than text, and it adds a little to the forums, so that it's not just boring text all the time. a little minor disruption is quite nice most of the time.

That's why there currently are no images allowed in signatures. Though I can see why you guys like them.

The bottom line is that if people would listen to a rule and have small signatures(probably under 300x100 pixels), I'd probably put them back. But I can't require this due to the nature of linked images, and management doesn't have time to enforce stuff like this constantly.

basically, this comes down to no real NECESSARY reason, other than people whining about it. all you have to do is restrict the size coomer. if you see one bigger, go edit the signature, and PM the person letting them know. it's just really unneccessary. it's just gonna make this site even MORE boring, and hell, we already have enough people leaving. now you're taking stuff away like this, which maybe you don't think it's a big deal, but i've had numerous people ALREADY IMing and saying, "that's fxcking shxtty." and "this is turning into celica.net" and "heil coomer!". so...yeah. it's bull.

sorry, but that's just how it is. just because people whine and complain, doesn't mean you have to take things away. you just have to change it around. there is a grey area. and i, along with many other people, think this is where this situation needs to get into.

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Posts in this topic
- Coomer   Where Did Your Sig Go?   Mar 8, 2005 - 4:16 PM
- - Mynzeyes   ...why not just put a restriction on the size? n...   Mar 8, 2005 - 6:04 PM
- - dstrbcelica   i agree with john. i want my image sig. back. why...   Mar 8, 2005 - 6:06 PM
- - CelicaBuddy   Yea.... me too I liked my signiture thing... I do...   Mar 8, 2005 - 6:09 PM
- - Jen   I definitely (also) agree with John. Why do peopl...   Mar 8, 2005 - 6:13 PM
- - Coomer   1. Signature images are distracting, and they take...   Mar 8, 2005 - 6:22 PM
|- - Mynzeyes   1. Signature images are distracting, and they take...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:12 PM
- - Consynx   hmmm :\ my antidrug is gone...i'm now liv...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:02 PM
- - Andason   i think a banner type thing should be allowed... b...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:03 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(Andason @ Mar 8, 2005 - 4:03 PM)i think...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:05 PM
|- - Andason   QUOTE(Andason @ Mar 8, 2005 - 6:03 PM)i think...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:15 PM
- - madmods   I'd be down for just a small pic. I'm not ...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:16 PM
- - Supersprynt   How are signatures distracting? We arent fish in a...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:18 PM
- - Coomer   I wouldn't consider some of your points valid ...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:20 PM
|- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 8, 2005 - 6:20 PM)John, wo...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:25 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(Mynzeyes @ Mar 8, 2005 - 4:25 PM)QUOTE(...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:34 PM
|- - shid   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 9, 2005 - 12:34 AM)QUOTE(M...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:17 PM
- - Consynx   one more thing, clicking on names doesn't have...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:21 PM
- - shid   Coomer, people's sigs are how I quickly visual...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:30 PM
- - Consynx   i'll be a mod to help enforce new avatars   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:30 PM
- - Supersprynt   How do you view a profile? I get this middle scree...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:33 PM
- - defgeph   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Mar 8, 2005 - 7:18 PM)I t...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:37 PM
- - Consynx   hey, DSL isn't avail yet at this house, and ne...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:41 PM
|- - defgeph   QUOTE(Consynx @ Mar 8, 2005 - 7:41 PM)hey, DS...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:42 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(Consynx @ Mar 8, 2005 - 4:41 PM)hey, DS...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:50 PM
- - pr_caralho   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 8, 2005 - 4:16 PM)It's...   Mar 8, 2005 - 7:57 PM
- - Coomer   Well you guys just need to hold on for a couple da...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:01 PM
- - defgeph   You also have the option of turning off signatures...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:04 PM
- - Akimbo   Agreed. More moderation. I am for bringing sigs b...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:35 PM
- - chucho   ya its a car site. & i definitely enjoy seein...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:43 PM
- - Supersprynt   Are the avatars back to 64x64 cuz they wont work a...   Mar 8, 2005 - 8:55 PM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Mar 8, 2005 - 5:55 PM)Are...   Mar 8, 2005 - 9:06 PM
- - Drocay   o, and you say that the sigs are distracting but t...   Mar 9, 2005 - 12:21 AM
- - Coomer   They're back!   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:30 AM
- - Mynzeyes   wewt.   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:52 AM
- - Batman722   fo shizzle   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:53 AM
- - doGGy   What size max can be used now? 350x120 will be ok...   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:57 AM
|- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(doGGy @ Mar 9, 2005 - 12:57 AM)What siz...   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:58 AM
- - Supersprynt   I gotta ask, can the minimum be raised to like 22k...   Mar 9, 2005 - 1:59 AM
|- - doGGy   if you saving with photoshop, use Save Fr WEB func...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:11 AM
- - Mynzeyes   try a .png file. that should work, and the quality...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:06 AM
- - Supersprynt   .png triples the KB. Whats aggravating is that I...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:17 AM
- - Drocay   yea, how are u guys getting your sigs to change si...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:18 AM
- - Supersprynt   The sizes of the images arent a problem but im ser...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:23 AM
|- - doGGy   Super, did you tryed Save For Web? QUOTE(Supersp...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:25 AM
- - Drocay   yea, i was just about to say that i was messing wi...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:28 AM
- - Coomer   I used Fireworks for optimizing my JPEG images. Th...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:38 AM
- - Supersprynt   I dont have photoshop so I dont kno what save for ...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:42 AM
|- - Coomer   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Mar 8, 2005 - 11:42 PM)I ...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:43 AM
- - Supersprynt   No but Drocay was nice enough to go about fixing m...   Mar 9, 2005 - 2:48 AM
- - CheesyLobster   Cooommmmm.... what the... most of the people here ...   Mar 9, 2005 - 4:06 AM
- - macavely   wow i tottaly missed this discussion.. i think i m...   Mar 9, 2005 - 4:30 AM
- - gas65   Coomer, your sig is still too big, please reduce i...   Mar 9, 2005 - 5:23 AM
- - amysmojo   QUOTE(Coomer @ Mar 8, 2005 - 1:16 PM) Avatar ...   Mar 10, 2005 - 9:06 PM
- - Drocay   now there back to old setting and sigs are back bu...   Mar 10, 2005 - 9:41 PM
- - Tweek   ok, I don't know if you solved this yet coomer...   Mar 12, 2005 - 1:43 AM
- - Tweek   also, whats the final word on this? Maybe you coul...   Mar 12, 2005 - 1:45 AM
- - Coomer   QUOTE(Tweek @ Mar 11, 2005 - 10:43 PM)ok, I d...   Mar 12, 2005 - 6:38 AM
- - tomazws   Glad u kept the image sigs. For the most part, pe...   Mar 15, 2005 - 12:26 AM


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