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post Apr 12, 2005 - 8:54 PM
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im about to do the long ass installation of the 2g 3sgte into my 1997 ST with a boost controller looking to do about 13psi...everyone is dissin my car now and when I get the engine in a few months I wanna run it up against a new Acura RSX Type - S...i think they do 210 at the crank? anyways ive driven it, so far the RSX seems faster than RWD Silvia SR20DET!.....just woundering if anyone knew how a front wheel drive 3sgte at 13psi would match up to a stock RSX type S before i put down alot of money on a bet...ive never driven a 3sgte so this if anyone who has one has done alot of racing please give me some feedback on how this thing matches up to the world of racing

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post Apr 12, 2005 - 11:35 PM
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I wouldn't be too general about what car can beat what. It would be arrogant to guess based on just that. An RSX type S can break into the 14's with bolt-ons... a 3SGTE celica with increased boost and a good driver will tip-toe 14-13... but I've yet to see a 3SGTE FWD celica run consistant 13's... while on the other hand, our shop has built several 13 second n/a 4 cylinder Hondas (4 different cars, 3 different engines, working on engine #4)... so I'm not gonna just say outright what will happen. I will say, with boost, it's a lot easier to make a lot of power, but it's more difficult to utilize it. You should really go to a drag strip and learn that for yourself lagos... ;] I've never driven a 3SGTE swapped FWD celica (have driven alltracs), but I've driven SRT-4 Neons, all sorts of turbo'ed Hondas (you name it, I've probably driven it), Eclipse GS-T's... and they all act very similar as far as traction from a stop is concerned. From a roll... boost owns all...

To close... it's always a driver's race when cars are this close. As easy as it may be for a turbo FWD car to run low 14's... it's just as easy for them to run high 15's all night long simply because of the driver. RSX's should NOT be under estimated... cause they are wicked fast. The K20A/2/Z1's are by far the best n/a 4 bangers out there... even better than the S2000's F20/22C.

As for the SR20 240... a stock SR20DET, regardless of version... will be lucky to break out of 15's with a stock engine (except for maybe the late S15 ones). They're not that fast in stock trim because the stock turbo is not that big or efficient. They're good for quick spool, but they suffer for making big power.

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- MonsterBOX   3sgte in an ST vs RSX Type - S Stock   Apr 12, 2005 - 8:54 PM
- - ghostdog   RSX type-s runs mid to low 15s stock; so you shoul...   Apr 12, 2005 - 9:02 PM
- - drnovascotia   stock RSX - 15's Stock s13 with sr20det = 13....   Apr 12, 2005 - 9:08 PM
- - MonsterBOX   difficult as in no traction?   Apr 12, 2005 - 9:17 PM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Apr 12, 2005 - 9:17 PM)dif...   Apr 12, 2005 - 9:22 PM
|- - lagos   QUOTE(Digndoug @ Apr 12, 2005 - 9:22 PM)QUOTE...   Apr 12, 2005 - 11:01 PM
|- - Ryu3x16   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 12, 2005 - 9:01 PM)QUOTE(Di...   Apr 12, 2005 - 11:09 PM
- - Supersprynt   After the new intercooler I can easily spin throug...   Apr 12, 2005 - 11:26 PM
- - Kwanza26   I wouldn't be too general about what car can b...   Apr 12, 2005 - 11:35 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   So, are they any people out there with the 3S that...   Apr 13, 2005 - 12:18 AM
- - lagos   i think the only reason u dont see swaped celicas ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 12:46 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 13, 2005 - 5:46 AM)i think ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 4:09 AM
- - Blakout16   yeah, basically against an rsx-s comes down to dri...   Apr 13, 2005 - 1:12 AM
- - drnovascotia   1. s13 sr20det or s14 sr20det either one will run ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 8:38 AM
- - lagos   Kwanza26, buddy.... i really dont want to start an...   Apr 13, 2005 - 10:08 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 13, 2005 - 3:08 PM)Kwanza26...   Apr 13, 2005 - 1:36 PM
|- - SoundSlut_dotcom   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 13, 2005 - 8:08 AM)Kwanza26...   Apr 28, 2005 - 1:59 PM
- - easternpiro1   QUOTE(Blakout16 @ Apr 13, 2005 - 1:12 AM)yeah...   Apr 13, 2005 - 11:41 AM
- - Green_MachToy   If you just dump the clutch and floor it, traction...   Apr 13, 2005 - 12:13 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(drnovascotia @ Apr 13, 2005 - 5:38 AM)1...   Apr 13, 2005 - 12:33 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTEso how can a car that matches all of these ot...   Apr 13, 2005 - 2:06 PM
|- - FallenHero   QUOTE(97sccelica @ Apr 13, 2005 - 12:06 PM)QU...   Apr 14, 2005 - 12:19 PM
- - Blakout16   QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Apr 13, 2005 - 8:41 AM)Q...   Apr 13, 2005 - 2:07 PM
- - AndyST4   My friend has beat rsx's in his stock 90 si a...   Apr 13, 2005 - 2:25 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(AndyST4 @ Apr 13, 2005 - 11:25 AM)My fr...   Apr 13, 2005 - 2:43 PM
|- - AndyST4   QUOTE(97sccelica @ Apr 13, 2005 - 2:43 PM)QUO...   Apr 13, 2005 - 4:09 PM
- - Kwanza26   I sometimes get the impression some of you just ha...   Apr 13, 2005 - 3:30 PM
- - nik   yesterday i got beat by a STI but i hung with him ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 3:37 PM
- - drnovascotia   You celica people have your facts completly wrong....   Apr 13, 2005 - 7:20 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(drnovascotia @ Apr 14, 2005 - 12:20 AM)...   Apr 13, 2005 - 8:26 PM
- - lagos   why do i always get the feeling that people on her...   Apr 13, 2005 - 7:44 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 14, 2005 - 12:44 AM)why do ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 8:33 PM
- - jgreening   I have to agree with Lagos as well. Once you get ...   Apr 13, 2005 - 8:44 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(drnovascotia @ Apr 13, 2005 - 4:20 PM)Y...   Apr 14, 2005 - 1:06 AM
- - saleeka   i have to say i get really irritaed with the ...   Apr 14, 2005 - 1:25 AM
|- - AndyST4   QUOTE(saleeka @ Apr 14, 2005 - 1:25 AM)i have...   Apr 14, 2005 - 3:43 AM
|- - darksecret   QUOTE(saleeka @ Apr 14, 2005 - 2:25 AM)i have...   Apr 14, 2005 - 2:41 PM
- - saleeka   yeah and its also a hell of a lot newer and nicer....   Apr 14, 2005 - 3:53 AM
|- - AndyST4   QUOTE(saleeka @ Apr 14, 2005 - 3:53 AM)yeah a...   Apr 14, 2005 - 5:23 PM
- - easternpiro1   okay guys...imhoping to get a 3sgte soon and dont ...   Apr 14, 2005 - 3:02 PM
|- - darksecret   QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Apr 14, 2005 - 4:02 PM)o...   Apr 14, 2005 - 3:17 PM
- - prompt   slap a t3 turbo on instead of the ct26 and run boo...   Apr 14, 2005 - 4:19 PM
- - Doge   QUOTE(prompt @ Apr 14, 2005 - 2:19 PM)slap a ...   Apr 14, 2005 - 5:25 PM
- - lagos   QUOTElike I said people have no idea how fast 3s...   Apr 14, 2005 - 5:58 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(AndyST4 @ Apr 14, 2005 - 2:23 PM)QUOTE(...   Apr 14, 2005 - 6:14 PM
- - Consynx   i really found this post interesting i wouldn...   Apr 14, 2005 - 9:14 PM
- - saleeka   it seems my point hasnt been all too clear... I ge...   Apr 15, 2005 - 12:19 AM
- - darksecret   But what i'm saying is that the 5S is a very g...   Apr 15, 2005 - 8:48 AM
- - MonsterBOX   i think people rnt thinking bout how light the cel...   Apr 18, 2005 - 10:24 PM
- - darksecret   I could agree with MonsterBOX that the weight make...   Apr 19, 2005 - 10:51 AM
- - Supersprynt   I was messing with a 350z and doing better than ho...   Apr 19, 2005 - 12:45 PM
- - Consynx   aren't those like 14.6 cars?   Apr 19, 2005 - 5:25 PM
|- - Mr2_Joel   QUOTE(Consynx @ Apr 19, 2005 - 6:25 PM)aren...   Apr 19, 2005 - 5:46 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Apr 19, 2005 - 9:45 AM)I ...   Apr 19, 2005 - 5:42 PM
- - Digndoug   QUOTE(Consynx @ Apr 14, 2005 - 9:14 PM)i real...   Apr 19, 2005 - 6:00 PM
|- - Rjb23   QUOTE(Digndoug @ Apr 19, 2005 - 11:00 PM)QUOT...   Apr 27, 2005 - 11:58 PM
- - nObOdy   Having done extensive research and owning niether ...   Apr 27, 2005 - 12:24 AM
- - MonsterBOX   AMEN NOBODY   Apr 27, 2005 - 9:16 PM
- - Consynx   lol, he knows, the 240 is the main choice, i think...   Apr 28, 2005 - 1:07 AM
- - XXX_Mina   first car i beat when i got my swap was turpoed h2...   Apr 28, 2005 - 4:01 AM
|- - Ryu3x16   QUOTE(XXX_Mina @ Apr 28, 2005 - 2:01 AM)first...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:19 PM
- - SoundSlut_dotcom   my girl has the RSX.. hook up a turbo to that moto...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:05 PM
|- - Mr2_Joel   QUOTE(SoundSlut_dotcom @ Apr 28, 2005 - 3:05 ...   Apr 28, 2005 - 2:57 PM
|- - SoundSlut_dotcom   QUOTE(Mr2_Joel @ Apr 28, 2005 - 12:57 PM)QUOT...   Apr 28, 2005 - 5:00 PM
- - darksecret   Well seeing that the KA20 is a new engine good luc...   Apr 28, 2005 - 3:12 PM
- - lagos   i dont fear the rsx...esp not this one http://s17....   Apr 28, 2005 - 5:34 PM
- - vangSTa_celica   What a loser. Haha.   Apr 28, 2005 - 6:01 PM
- - celicaboston1983   what happened to the car   Apr 28, 2005 - 6:25 PM
- - XXX_Mina   add a turbo to an rsx and i can still beat ... ive...   Apr 28, 2005 - 7:09 PM
- - 97sccelica   QUOTE(Ryu3x16 @ Apr 28, 2005 - 11:19 AM)QUOTE...   Apr 29, 2005 - 1:48 AM
- - saleeka   that 800 hp 3SGTE isnt in a FWD car, however, so t...   Apr 29, 2005 - 2:14 AM
- - XXX_Mina   QUOTE(saleeka @ Apr 29, 2005 - 12:14 AM)that ...   Apr 29, 2005 - 6:38 AM


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