raced a 7th gen gt-s, damn there fast! Options

[rockstarbass1]

ok so i have a 94 6th gen manual st. and my friends just got a 00 7th gen gt-s (auto) i know there faster but it being a auto and me haveing a short ram , and well kinda an exhaust i though it would be pretty fair. well we raced and i had him at the starts but when his hit 2nd GOD DAMN!! he was cooking, then i hit 3rd i was catching up and by the time i was in 4th i had gotten even with him, we cut out every time by 75 or 80. and he had me almost every time for most of the race. but i did have him a few times. any one here ever race one??

[red94celicagt]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S (stock)
180 HP
125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT (stock)
138 HP
145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results

[darksecret]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S  (stock)
  180 HP
  125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT  (stock)
  138 HP
  145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me   but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results
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If only that was true, see if it was turbo diesel trucks would be destroying everybody. Torque is a good thing, if you don't have enough then it makes it hard for your car to get going, but horsepower keeps it going faster, horsepower kicks in when the initial need for starting torque really isn't required anymore, Hot Rod magazine did a big breakdown during their Cobra vs. WRX STi comparo issue. You could have all the torque in the world but without decent horsepower numbers your car would only be good for pulling tree stumps. Look at it like this the S2000 has a lot of horsepower but lacks below the belt, so the optimal driving range is around 7,000 rpm for highway cruising due to a lack of torque(this is from Hot Rod, C&D, and R&T), now you have an old Z28, the optimal range is around 1,800 rpm for highway cruising due to torque, but if you took the Z28 and tried to go past say 6,000 rpm with it you'll get no where since it's not designed to operate in those ranges. Bottom line torque is best for everyday driving and road corses since you take advantage of the lower rpm levels, but if you want something for a drag strip go for horsepower since you wont have to worry about keeping your foot in it just to keep from being run over by the mini van behind you.

[red94celicagt]

well take a look at the stats:

'00-'04 1.8L GT-S  (stock)
  180 HP
  125 Ft-Lb Torque

'94-'99 2.2L GT  (stock)
  138 HP
  145 Ft-Lb Torque

Not sure what stats are on the '94-'99 but as you can see, even a GT would have some trouble handling a GT-S. Two most important thigns to racing is weight and torque, (HP sells cars, but torque wins races) and the GT has more torque, which is why you had him in first, but his higher HP gives him better midrange and high-end power, which is why he had you in second and third. Both cars weigh about the same (the '00 celicas look huge, but still only weigh 2,600 can anyone explain that to me   but yea, it is a close race. Personally I have yet to race one, I don't see too many around my area, but if I do I will post back the results
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If only that was true, see if it was turbo diesel trucks would be destroying everybody. Torque is a good thing, if you don't have enough then it makes it hard for your car to get going, but horsepower keeps it going faster, horsepower kicks in when the initial need for starting torque really isn't required anymore, Hot Rod magazine did a big breakdown during their Cobra vs. WRX STi comparo issue. You could have all the torque in the world but without decent horsepower numbers your car would only be good for pulling tree stumps. Look at it like this the S2000 has a lot of horsepower but lacks below the belt, so the optimal driving range is around 7,000 rpm for highway cruising due to a lack of torque(this is from Hot Rod, C&D, and R&T), now you have an old Z28, the optimal range is around 1,800 rpm for highway cruising due to torque, but if you took the Z28 and tried to go past say 6,000 rpm with it you'll get no where since it's not designed to operate in those ranges. Bottom line torque is best for everyday driving and road corses since you take advantage of the lower rpm levels, but if you want something for a drag strip go for horsepower since you wont have to worry about keeping your foot in it just to keep from being run over by the mini van behind you.
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re-read my post, i said the fact that he had him in first and part of second gear was because of his higher torque...i know torque is for low end power...and HP helps high end (which is what you operate at especially in third and fourth gear) but the reason he had him off the line is first off: manual tranny will beat auto off the line and TWO: more torque