Toyota-Caldina st215 3s-gte swap, has any body tried it.. Options

[RUNNIN-LOW]

well i just recently got my 94 celica gt from a guy who put like 2hundred grand miles...on it but yeah i was looking around and it seems like everybody is doing a gt4 swap with the 3sgte and i was woundering if anybody have ever thought or done a caldina 3sgte swap it make like 260hp..

[lagos]

there really isint any real benefit to that motor, and like everyone said, the wiring is a total nightmare.

you have to remember that a turbo motor is totally different then an NA motor. you are not really bound to the power that toyota specs the motors at, like you are with the 7a or 5s. its really easy to make more power on any gen 3s motor

you can just buy a 3rd gen 3sgte, add an MBC and a nice exhaust, and youll be well over the 260 crank hp or buy a 2nd gen motor, upgrade the turbo, add in an exhaust, and reach that same goal.

This post has been edited by lagos: Nov 9, 2005 - 2:41 AM

[CheesyLobster]

there really isint any real benefit to that motor, and like everyone said, the wiring is a total nightmare.

you have to remember that a turbo motor is totally different then an NA motor. you are not really bound to the power that toyota specs the motors at, like you are with the 7a or 5s. its really easy to make more power on any gen 3s motor

you can just buy a 3rd gen 3sgte, add an MBC and a nice exhaust, and youll be well over the 260 crank hp  or buy a 2nd gen motor, upgrade the turbo, add in an exhaust, and reach that same goal.
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I don't think that this is true at all. The highest I've seen any second gen on the site go is about 225 at the wheels, where I've seen 3rd gens get over 300. I don't think that this is because the 2nd gen doesn't have the capability, but because the 3rd gen is simply a newer, more reliable motor that people are more willing to push because of its youth. A 2nd gen 3sgte is going to probably be about 15 years old, and let's face it, sh*t just gives out after that long, no matter how well the car was maintained. Plus the third and second generation engines don’t get different hp only because of their turbos, but also because the third gen has a more efficient design in its head for airflow, and because of other minor differences.

I think that there would be a clear advantage over a 2nd gen to put in the 3/4 generation Caldina motor. I don't know why exactly it would be harder to wire; get a diagram and you should be able to figure it out if you have a good amount of general knowledge about cars. Hell if it's that big of a difference from the 3rd gen motor, run a stand alone. I'd really like to see more people do this swap and test the true potential of 3sgte.

[ToYCeLi8]

there really isint any real benefit to that motor, and like everyone said, the wiring is a total nightmare.

you have to remember that a turbo motor is totally different then an NA motor. you are not really bound to the power that toyota specs the motors at, like you are with the 7a or 5s. its really easy to make more power on any gen 3s motor

you can just buy a 3rd gen 3sgte, add an MBC and a nice exhaust, and youll be well over the 260 crank hp or buy a 2nd gen motor, upgrade the turbo, add in an exhaust, and reach that same goal.

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I don't think that this is true at all. The highest I've seen any second gen on the site go is about 225 at the wheels, where I've seen 3rd gens get over 300. I don't think that this is because the 2nd gen doesn't have the capability, but because the 3rd gen is simply a newer, more reliable motor that people are more willing to push because of its youth. A 2nd gen 3sgte is going to probably be about 15 years old, and let's face it, sh*t just gives out after that long, no matter how well the car was maintained. Plus the third and second generation engines don�t get different hp only because of their turbos, but also because the third gen has a more efficient design in its head for airflow, and because of other minor differences.

I think that there would be a clear advantage over a 2nd gen to put in the 3/4 generation Caldina motor. I don't know why exactly it would be harder to wire; get a diagram and you should be able to figure it out if you have a good amount of general knowledge about cars. Hell if it's that big of a difference from the 3rd gen motor, run a stand alone. I'd really like to see more people do this swap and test the true potential of 3sgte.

Dude!!!! I am running 252hp to the wheels @ 8-9psi. I had it dynoed almost 2 years ago. Like Lagos said I was kind of scared to boost higher. Don't want my tranny to blow.

David

This post has been edited by ToYCeLi8: Nov 14, 2005 - 4:07 AM