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post Jan 18, 2006 - 7:53 PM
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It can be done, i know that.

I'm currently exploring my options for the possibilty of that swap.

I'm desperate to know more about it. I searched but all i can find is the same darn thing over and over "is it possible yes, blah blah blah". I need more details. I read adrian's posts in celicatech.com but he just wrote a scratch about it. I'm thinking about getting a 3MZ-FE and this is where I get confused.

From what I understand the 3MZ is a bored out 1MZ with vvti slapped on, this would mean that it would be possible to stuff a 230hp/242trq N/A engine with a 5spd (from the camry). Yumm !! But really, how does it compare to the 1MZ-FE on the outside. The 1MZ swap has been done on a 5th gen, as far as i know dimensions are identical (or very close) to the 6th gen. I know this will require alot of custom work that exceeds my knowlege/experience with car mecanics but i will seek help from my local gear heads to get this done. Right now i just have to know what goes and what doesn't as far as major components go (engine, tranny, etc...).

I'm really concidering this swap because a few things in my drivetrain are going.... concidering that my 5S-FE has 265k+ kms and i beat the shnit out of it everyday*. (what's the point of owning a sports car if ur gonna drive like a grandma). Something is going to break and I don't want to invest into what I already have, if i'm going to drop some money into my celica, i want something out of it.

Thanks in advance for your help

(p.s. found a 99' 1MZ-FE at a junk yard close to here for $900 cnd)


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post Jan 19, 2006 - 6:25 AM
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btw i am not the one that is going to do this swap
i talked to a few local gear heads that have many swaps under their belt, they are the one thats going to do this and i'll assist and learn as i go. I am the one that should provide them with critical details to make things easier for them. but....

no on has really responded to what i was asking (excluding Clipsetuner, thanks bud)

i don't want to know if/who/weither/choice. I need to know about the 3MZ and it's similarities with the 1MZ and most importantly the problems that i will encounter or might encounter, like hood clearance for example.

We should be talking about engines and trannys and electrical and mounts and axles and fuel systems, dimensions, etc.... Please, i don't want this thread to turn into the crap i found searching about it.

Thanks

p.s. no offense to anyone here but stop treating me like a damn n00b and READ the first post, i already mentioned that i wasn't going to do this alone.


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post Jan 19, 2006 - 1:04 PM
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QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jan 19, 2006 - 11:25 AM) [snapback]380809[/snapback]

i don't want to know if/who/weither/choice. I need to know about the 3MZ and it's similarities with the 1MZ and most importantly the problems that i will encounter or might encounter, like hood clearance for example.

We should be talking about engines and trannys and electrical and mounts and axles and fuel systems, dimensions, etc.... Please, i don't want this thread to turn into the crap i found searching about it.

Thanks

p.s. no offense to anyone here but stop treating me like a damn n00b and READ the first post, i already mentioned that i wasn't going to do this alone.

Not treating you like a noob... but you didn't ask a question...

The 3MZ is an overbored version of the 1MZ. The engines are basically the same thing size-wise. Both the 3MZ and 1MZ are available with VVTi. There are many many versions of the 1MZ which date back all the way to 1992... so be specific on what you want and which engine you'll use. They vary greatly in terms of manifolds, sensors, wiring, power, etc over the years. They bolt up to the same E153 as the 3SGTE, so one would assume they can also bolt up to the S54 trans. The tranny mounts can be the stock ones so long as hood clearence isn't an issue (an NO... no-one can answer that for you right now)... but the motor mounts, possibly exhaust DPs, plumbing, etc will all need to be custom. Wiring is a custom job as mentioned, and arguably the part that stalls an engine swap.


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Posts in this topic
- K-ESD   V6 swap, for me, better than 3S-GTE   Jan 18, 2006 - 7:53 PM
- - Kwanza26   I'll say the MZ series engines are basically b...   Jan 18, 2006 - 8:12 PM
- - Supersprynt   But Kwanza, he already said it was better than 3sg...   Jan 18, 2006 - 8:30 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jan 18, 2006 - 9:12...   Jan 18, 2006 - 8:31 PM
- - Supersprynt   IMO the only thing you got going for this swap is ...   Jan 18, 2006 - 9:23 PM
- - yungazzdriver   yeah i mean if u wanna get the mz then go for it m...   Jan 18, 2006 - 9:24 PM
- - Clipsetuner   Well someone fineally brought this up, I plan on d...   Jan 18, 2006 - 9:31 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   I'm doing this swap this summer. After that, I...   Jan 18, 2006 - 9:44 PM
|- - BBoYRuGGeD   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jan 19, 2006 - 2:44...   Jan 19, 2006 - 12:13 AM
|- - Hanyo   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jan 18, 2006 - 6:44...   Jan 19, 2006 - 12:16 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(yungazzdriver @ Jan 18, 2006 - 9...   Jan 19, 2006 - 2:02 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(lagos @ Jan 19, 2006 - 7:02 AM...   Jan 19, 2006 - 2:49 AM
- - Blakout16   i think tweak will be able to do it, clipsetuner h...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:59 AM
- - K-ESD   btw i am not the one that is going to do this swap...   Jan 19, 2006 - 6:25 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jan 19, 2006 - 11...   Jan 19, 2006 - 1:04 PM
- - presure2   its not a matter of if, its definetly doable, one ...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:15 AM
- - Clipsetuner   Allright I will state from the start I am NO exper...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:17 AM
|- - Dr_Tweak   Yes, I'm planning on doing one on a 6th gen th...   Jan 19, 2006 - 10:14 AM
|- - snapshotgt   QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jan 19, 2006 - 10:1...   Jan 19, 2006 - 12:50 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE ...this is a very good point...long term...i...   Jan 19, 2006 - 1:14 PM
|- - snapshotgt   snapshotgt: ...this is a very good point...long t...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:13 PM
- - Einhander   Just so you know, When all is said and done, You...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:17 AM
- - Clipsetuner   Its not that im looking to save money, you cant do...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:32 AM
- - Einhander   The pricing thing was directed toward the original...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:38 AM
- - Clipsetuner   I think with his limited hands on experiance his c...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:44 AM
- - Einhander   It'll be done eventually. I personally would a...   Jan 19, 2006 - 9:06 AM
- - Jeremy1210   I think its a great idea, and kudos to you folks f...   Jan 19, 2006 - 10:10 AM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Jeremy1210 @ Jan 19, 2006 - 3...   Jan 19, 2006 - 12:57 PM
- - Punch   help on the new swap, dont turn the man away let h...   Jan 19, 2006 - 10:28 AM
- - Shigexile   man, i didn't know that corola's and solor...   Jan 19, 2006 - 11:20 AM
- - celi_gt_racer   This whole concept is completely awesome..... and ...   Jan 19, 2006 - 11:56 AM
- - K-ESD   Thank you very much for the response (most of ya )...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:03 PM
- - K-ESD   as for the labour, my "team", as i would...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:20 PM
- - K-ESD   hood clearance is gonna be an issue... unless ther...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:35 PM
- - K-ESD   Sorry for the consecutive posts i picked this out...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:47 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jan 19, 2006 - 3...   Jan 19, 2006 - 3:54 PM
- - K-ESD   it's very true i depend on many in order to ac...   Jan 19, 2006 - 4:32 PM
- - Kwanza26   The only thing a man can rely on is what he can an...   Jan 19, 2006 - 4:43 PM
- - K-ESD   right i'm still going to attempt it even if i...   Jan 19, 2006 - 4:56 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jan 19, 2006 - 4...   Jan 19, 2006 - 5:01 PM
- - K-ESD   at least i always have you guys to help me figure ...   Jan 19, 2006 - 5:07 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jan 19, 2006 - 5...   Jan 19, 2006 - 5:12 PM
- - K-ESD   sorry for being french, i have a hard time to expr...   Jan 19, 2006 - 5:38 PM
- - celi_gt_racer   If this swap does become more practical and i stil...   Jan 19, 2006 - 5:41 PM
- - Hanyo   i think its good to through some negative opinons ...   Jan 19, 2006 - 8:24 PM
- - Clipsetuner   12 hours later and all this pops up, I dont think ...   Jan 19, 2006 - 9:14 PM
- - K-ESD   this thread is just the begining i've copied ...   Jan 20, 2006 - 6:29 AM
- - Clipsetuner   So I gathered more info today for the mass's. ...   Jan 20, 2006 - 7:34 AM
- - lagos   how much does this motor make at the wheels and at...   Jan 20, 2006 - 9:34 PM
- - Dr_Tweak   QUOTE(lagos @ Jan 21, 2006 - 2:34 AM...   Jan 20, 2006 - 9:59 PM


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