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post Jan 28, 2006 - 10:26 PM
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How much would I be looking at realistically to do this swap??? I know I can get a 225hp genII motor for about $1500 with wiring harness, tranny, and ECU included. I could probably pull off the engine swap myself as I did a stock for stock swap in my old 89 celica, but I'd probably just pony up the $1300 to Phoenix Performance and have him do everything and get the FMIC too.

So, realistically, just to get a running stock 3S-GTE into the car and driving, would it be far fetched to say that it's doable for under $3000????

I'm not even going to get into modifications at this point. Just don't want (me) to go there. biggrin.gif Least not yet.


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post Jan 29, 2006 - 4:00 PM
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jan 29, 2006 - 3:29 PM) [snapback]386099[/snapback]

QUOTE(Rjb23 @ Jan 29, 2006 - 2:51 PM) [snapback]386089[/snapback]

If you have to ask how much it is going to cost then your not ready to do the swap yet.


What kind of statement is that?? This isn't a case of window shopping where "if you have to ask you can't afford it." This is a case of trying to line things up.

Reason I asked was because I see a lot of what people went through for the swap, but haven't really seen a tally of what it actually costs. Mostly just a bunch of estimates and figures, no real hard numbers.



thats because we loose track of what was spent and there are a lot of hidden costs. if you have to penny pinch it, then you will end up with a ghetto swap that has more issues that youll just have to spend money on later

i felt comfortable to order my clip when i had about 4grand in cash. i know i spent all of that, but beyond that, i cant give u a total cost, because there are hidden costs during the whole poject. i know some people who ended up buying blown motors and didnt find out untill they put them in. then they had to spend even more money rebuilding them.

you should make a list of everything you think that youll need and total it up. then add in an extra grand on top of that for emergency. here is something to get you started

2nd gen clip = 2500-3000$ shipped. if you can get something for this price range, then consder it a good deal.

tune up stuff= 300$ . replace anything rubber that you can think of. belts hoses, rear main seal, water pump, timing belt .etc...

fmic and piping = 500-1000$ . depending on the quality/brand of IC and if you want stainless, aluminum or steal piping.

bov= 100-200$. youll need this when you get a fmic

clutch = 400$. this is one thing you dont want to cheap out on, or youll just end up replacing it again.

fuel pump= 100-200$. walbro is cheap but loud... OEM supra TT pump is expensive but quiet.

wiring harness= 300-400$ . there are a few people on the site that the do the harness for you for around this price.

gauges = 100-200. at the very least, get a boost gauge. oil presure is another good one to have.

tranny = 0-1300$ . if you have a stock gt trans, then its free. if you want mr2lsd trans, then it will cost you

tools = 0-200. if you dont have tools, youll need at least a good tool set to buy.

engine lift = 200$ at you local car parts store.

jack stands = 100-200$. you need at least 4 very good quality stands to put the clip on while you work on it.

floor jack = 100$

fluids = 50$ . coolant, oil, ps fluid, brake fluid...


any im sure im probably forgetting even more stuff....but there is you basic idea, and why some people spend less and some more.


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post Jan 29, 2006 - 8:06 PM
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QUOTE(lagos @ Jan 29, 2006 - 9:00 PM) [snapback]386109[/snapback]

QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jan 29, 2006 - 3:29 PM) [snapback]386099[/snapback]

QUOTE(Rjb23 @ Jan 29, 2006 - 2:51 PM) [snapback]386089[/snapback]

If you have to ask how much it is going to cost then your not ready to do the swap yet.


What kind of statement is that?? This isn't a case of window shopping where "if you have to ask you can't afford it." This is a case of trying to line things up.

Reason I asked was because I see a lot of what people went through for the swap, but haven't really seen a tally of what it actually costs. Mostly just a bunch of estimates and figures, no real hard numbers.



thats because we loose track of what was spent and there are a lot of hidden costs. if you have to penny pinch it, then you will end up with a ghetto swap that has more issues that youll just have to spend money on later

i felt comfortable to order my clip when i had about 4grand in cash. i know i spent all of that, but beyond that, i cant give u a total cost, because there are hidden costs during the whole poject. i know some people who ended up buying blown motors and didnt find out untill they put them in. then they had to spend even more money rebuilding them.

you should make a list of everything you think that youll need and total it up. then add in an extra grand on top of that for emergency. here is something to get you started

2nd gen clip = 2500-3000$ shipped. if you can get something for this price range, then consder it a good deal.

tune up stuff= 300$ . replace anything rubber that you can think of. belts hoses, rear main seal, water pump, timing belt .etc...

fmic and piping = 500-1000$ . depending on the quality/brand of IC and if you want stainless, aluminum or steal piping.

bov= 100-200$. youll need this when you get a fmic

clutch = 400$. this is one thing you dont want to cheap out on, or youll just end up replacing it again.

fuel pump= 100-200$. walbro is cheap but loud... OEM supra TT pump is expensive but quiet.

wiring harness= 300-400$ . there are a few people on the site that the do the harness for you for around this price.

gauges = 100-200. at the very least, get a boost gauge. oil presure is another good one to have.

tranny = 0-1300$ . if you have a stock gt trans, then its free. if you want mr2lsd trans, then it will cost you

tools = 0-200. if you dont have tools, youll need at least a good tool set to buy.

engine lift = 200$ at you local car parts store.

jack stands = 100-200$. you need at least 4 very good quality stands to put the clip on while you work on it.

floor jack = 100$

fluids = 50$ . coolant, oil, ps fluid, brake fluid...


any im sure im probably forgetting even more stuff....but there is you basic idea, and why some people spend less and some more.



Exactly. It means that if you are worried about cost and if you are on a budget unless its about 5 or 6 grand a 3s swap is not for you. And if you don't know how much it will cost you haven't done enough research.

Posts in this topic
- Fastbird   3S-GTE Swap, realistically speaking   Jan 28, 2006 - 10:26 PM
- - lagos   average price is 3-5grand if you do your own work   Jan 28, 2006 - 10:28 PM
- - Supersprynt   Well with Doc doing it and buying the engine not t...   Jan 28, 2006 - 10:43 PM
- - Fastbird   Ok, so what else in parts is usually needed??? I ...   Jan 28, 2006 - 10:53 PM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   where ever u get ur motor from, i hope they includ...   Jan 29, 2006 - 1:25 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jan 28, 2006 - 10:5...   Jan 29, 2006 - 1:56 AM
- - Rjb23   If you have to ask how much it is going to cost th...   Jan 29, 2006 - 2:51 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(Rjb23 @ Jan 29, 2006 - 2:51 PM...   Jan 29, 2006 - 3:29 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jan 29, 2006 - 3:29...   Jan 29, 2006 - 4:00 PM
|- - Rjb23   QUOTE(lagos @ Jan 29, 2006 - 9:00 PM...   Jan 29, 2006 - 8:06 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   clip------------------------$1400 shipping--...   Jan 29, 2006 - 4:01 PM
|- - BBoYRuGGeD   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Jan 29, 2006 - 9...   Jan 30, 2006 - 4:31 PM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   aright well if u want real $$$ numb...   Jan 29, 2006 - 4:14 PM
- - rzanology   where do you guys order your clips from??? im look...   Jan 30, 2006 - 3:30 PM
- - lagos   this thread is a great example of how some people ...   Jan 30, 2006 - 4:42 PM
- - playr158   clip for 1800$ http://www.superiortradingint...   Jan 30, 2006 - 4:46 PM
- - lagos   i got mine for 1800 plus shipping, but with the ga...   Jan 30, 2006 - 4:53 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   QUOTE(playr158 @ Jan 30, 2006 - 6:46...   Jan 30, 2006 - 7:48 PM
- - Fastbird   Wow, thanks for the links. I think I'm going ...   Jan 30, 2006 - 7:59 PM
- - Speedy2k   - 2nd gen 3SGTE clip $2000 shipped (local pla...   Jan 31, 2006 - 3:08 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE- Wiring $0! Just cut an opening in ...   Jan 31, 2006 - 3:39 PM
- - Speedy2k   Oh thats right! My bad. I have a 91 GTS (5th...   Jan 31, 2006 - 4:17 PM
- - Fastbird   Well, this is still a few months off as I'm in...   Feb 1, 2006 - 1:24 PM
- - eggman40   QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jan 29, 2006 - 3:26...   Feb 1, 2006 - 1:28 PM
- - easternpiro1   [quote name='lagos' date='Jan 31, 2006...   Feb 1, 2006 - 1:43 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   The top mount isnt effcient at all. its just a box...   Feb 1, 2006 - 2:27 PM
- - easternpiro1   O i see...but why did toyota make it that way if t...   Feb 3, 2006 - 12:45 PM
|- - Fastbird   QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Feb 3, 2006 - 12...   Feb 3, 2006 - 12:52 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   the 6gc st205 doesnt use a air to air. it uses a ...   Feb 3, 2006 - 1:23 PM
- - brianforster   i think we should stop flaming people who want to ...   Feb 11, 2006 - 1:28 PM


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