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post Feb 8, 2006 - 5:23 PM
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jayi12-15psi

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If you watch the news you're aware of the events taking place in the middle east reguarding violent protests against anti-Muslim danish Cartoons. Most people will tell you that violence is obviously not the answer, but the issue at hand here is... Do you think that the rights of free speech should be curbed so it does not offend a religion?

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post Feb 9, 2006 - 1:21 PM
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QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Feb 9, 2006 - 12:12 PM) [snapback]391268[/snapback]

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I think you kinda have it backwards. The liberals are the ones fighting for your liberties more than anybody else.


No, I fully understand that the liberals fight for our liberties, but what I'm asking is, at what point do we have more liberties than our society can handle? Freedom of speech is great unless you're walking up to random people on the street and telling them "your baby was just run over by a dump truck."(if it's a lie) Freedom of speech is great until a simple cartoon is enough to cause death.


I think people are misunderstanding what exactly “freedom of speech” is. Freedom of speech does not mean you can go around misrepresenting the truth. A democratic form of government cannot survive unless people can freely voice their political opinions and criticize government actions or polices.
Of course there are restrictions on you’re freedom of speech, for example the burning of a U.S. Flag is not protected by the first amendment, even though it has been argued that doing so is a freedom of expression. The government has to be able to place restraints on people’s freedom of speech but only when they are necessary to protect other substantial interest and rights. This is why we have courts to determine the point at which laws restricting free speech can be justified by the need to protect other rights.
Consequentially if someone were to run around saying untrue things like "your baby was just run over by a dump truck." And this statement caused some type of harm to the other party For example ( and yeah I’m exaggerating a bit on the consequences here.) The mother of the baby then commits suicide. The father/husband of the victims here could sue the person who misrepresented the truth, if this person had knowledge that the statement was in fact untrue, and used it with malicious intent, this could probably fall under the tort of intentional infliction of emotion distress, if you stretch if far enough, blah blah blah.

Yes I went of on a tangent here but I think it’s important that people understand what freedom of speech means.

Cliff notes: not all things are protected under freedom of speech.


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- jayi12-15psi   Free speech vs. religious ideals   Feb 8, 2006 - 5:23 PM
- - BlackSTX   It's kinda a silly question. Of course, we as...   Feb 8, 2006 - 5:31 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   I'm sure there are people here that would be o...   Feb 8, 2006 - 5:36 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   we're also not all Americans.   Feb 8, 2006 - 5:45 PM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   i went for religious ideals on this specific topic...   Feb 8, 2006 - 5:49 PM
- - Supersprynt   Freedom of speech is a natural right you are born ...   Feb 8, 2006 - 7:14 PM
- - nader   boos teezee[/quote] lol not nice whered u pick t...   Feb 8, 2006 - 9:13 PM
- - saleeka   in regards to whats going on with the cartoons and...   Feb 8, 2006 - 9:25 PM
- - Celica_Fan   There is no need for all that violence they should...   Feb 8, 2006 - 9:56 PM
- - jgreening   Its not even a close call: Freedom of speech. Fre...   Feb 8, 2006 - 10:17 PM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(jgreening @ Feb 8, 2006 - 10:1...   Feb 8, 2006 - 10:35 PM
- - 97lestyousay   Freedom of speech sometimes gos to far, like on h...   Feb 8, 2006 - 10:50 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   Well, I hope it dosen't get deleted. I think ...   Feb 8, 2006 - 11:56 PM
- - 97lestyousay   The constitution is 200 and somthing years old. T...   Feb 9, 2006 - 12:06 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   I wasn't trying to persecute a whole religion ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:09 AM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Feb 8, 2006 - ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:18 AM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   [quote name='nader' date='Feb 8, 2006 ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:10 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   what does that mean? for the rest of us who don...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:12 AM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   boos teezee = kiss my A$$ Jayi12 - ur a...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:14 AM
- - Batman722   this forum is not for these kinds of discussions, ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:21 AM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE(Batman722 @ Feb 8, 2006 - 10:2...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:23 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   well, now that I look at it, this conversation has...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:21 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   I know it's taboo, but I think it's ok as ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:33 AM
- - presure2   as long as you guys can DEBATE the topic, without ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 8:19 AM
- - Supersprynt   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Feb 8, 2006 - ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 8:46 AM
- - Bigmeanbulldog55   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Feb 9, 2006 - 8...   Feb 9, 2006 - 9:46 AM
- - Supersprynt   Communism fails because its very anti-human.   Feb 9, 2006 - 9:52 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   QUOTEI think you kinda have it backwards. The libe...   Feb 9, 2006 - 12:12 PM
- - Supersprynt   There are people who take it a little to literally...   Feb 9, 2006 - 12:53 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   I agree with you about religion being a worse culp...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:00 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Feb 9, 2006 - ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:21 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   right, I realize that but is it possible that the ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 1:38 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   I know what you're saying Jay. The problem is ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:00 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   I'm not sure what publication these cartoons a...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:10 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   I don't think the US should interfere at all.   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:17 PM
- - LuDaChRiS   good taste and respect should rule over all   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:24 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   Do you find the fact that they are burning our fla...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:25 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   QUOTE(LuDaChRiS @ Feb 9, 2006 - 2:24...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:26 PM
|- - LuDaChRiS   QUOTE(ILuvMyCelica95 @ Feb 9, 2006 - 11...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:33 PM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   They are just using it as a reason to start more v...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:27 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   QUOTEgood taste and respect should rule over all ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:28 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Feb 9, 2006 - ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:31 PM
- - Supersprynt   First of all. How many of you have actually SEEN t...   Feb 9, 2006 - 2:55 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   The cartoons are listed on the first page, and I s...   Feb 9, 2006 - 3:51 PM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Feb 9, 2006 - 11...   Feb 9, 2006 - 3:57 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   That one's pretty bad, I think the one where h...   Feb 9, 2006 - 3:59 PM
- - Supersprynt   The country in which violent protests are occurrin...   Feb 9, 2006 - 4:05 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   well, these riots are not starting to spread into ...   Feb 9, 2006 - 4:35 PM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   i love the muslim culture. its fascinating to me...   Feb 9, 2006 - 4:39 PM
- - Jeremy1210   You guys gotta remember that over there all they h...   Feb 9, 2006 - 4:56 PM
- - BlackCelicaGT94   QUOTE(Jeremy1210 @ Feb 9, 2006 - 1:5...   Feb 9, 2006 - 5:13 PM
- - Jeremy1210   I didn't mean every single person. But in Gene...   Feb 10, 2006 - 9:53 AM
- - Drocay   okay by saying " I haven't heard of peace...   Feb 10, 2006 - 12:09 PM


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