why is every one agianst the ST? Options

[nate95]

Every time i post somthing about my ST people pick me apart about it, people are always saying that the ST is so slow, and they act like theres nothing you can do to make it fast. its not the fastest car in the world but neither is your 3sgte swap celica! i posted earlier in a forum about track times and posted that my ST can run a 16.1 1/4 @86mph and NOBODY believed it. they kept saying that a stock ST couldn't ever run a 16 sec. 1/4,, well mine ISN'T STOCK!! is there anybody out there that believes me,, this is a celica club, you guys should be happy when you hear of someone that has put together a decently fast ST! not pick them apart.

[brianforster]

he was saying the "small dealer options" mean nothing

Yes, I did, and so far, you've mentioned a light around the keyring making the GT "better in every way" than the ST?

and im sorry, i just cannot take a car seriously if it has rear drums, its kind of like a girl with one boob wanting to be a porn star.

were not saying the st is a bad car, just that the gt is better in every single way.

And I cant take someone seriously who believes that :

20 horsepower & torque
rear disc brakes in a car with less than 130hp
a light around the keyring
rear windshield wiper
and fog lights in later years

is a huge leap from an ST.

I've been a member of this site since it was created, and was on celica.net, so i've heard a lot. And i've seen this ST vs GT debate talked in to the ground, the bottom line is - it matters not what you get, it's the Celica part that counts. People like you obviously forget that, and decide to make witless comments about something you know little to nothing about. Learn the differences between the two models before you decide to slop text on this forum, it might make you not look so bad in the future.

i know the differences dude, i know that sts have door reflectors in the bottom of the panel rather than open door lights, i know that the st does not have the light around the keyring, i know that the st was offered with manual windows and manual locks, and when you have these, your mirror controls are in the center of the dash next to the cigarette lighter and your door panels are different. there is no ST badge, cars without a passenger side badge on the back are ST or debadged. i know that the front brakes on the st are smaller than the gt (by a small amount but still smaller) i know that the ST's power steering resevoir is on the pump and not on the side of the car, i know that on the st the rear windshield whiper is not standard and i know that the ST stock steelies are 14" while the GT stock steelies (not the alloys) are 15".

oh and after all of that, the 5sfe is still more powerful, and it might not be a substantial amount of horsepower, but if you have driven both you should know that the ass dyno definitly registers the difference.

its just my opinion ok, i am picky about my cars, did an extra 2 days labor on my car just to have stock power windows and door locks. and my doors are black while my car is red. id rather deal with that untill i can get a paint job than roll my windows down.

things like rear drums, manual windows, etc, make buying a newer car pointless, if i wanted no luxury options, id go classic car restoration, or be a honda boy.

the reason why i love the gt so much is that it looks great, and bone stock has every option youd ever need in a car.

im picky and neurotic about the GT vs the ST, no one is going to agree with me, and im fine with that, im just voicing how i feel

The best part is, you OWN an ST and you sit here & trash talk stuff about it. So, you're driving around a porn star with one boob. Good game.

its currently in the middle of a motor swap but thank you for your opinion, i only purchased it cause i was told it was a gt, but i got lied to. (my own dumb fault). and i wont be driving it untill i put my rear brake conversion on

This post has been edited by brianforster: Mar 26, 2006 - 5:32 PM