why is every one agianst the ST? Options

[nate95]

Every time i post somthing about my ST people pick me apart about it, people are always saying that the ST is so slow, and they act like theres nothing you can do to make it fast. its not the fastest car in the world but neither is your 3sgte swap celica! i posted earlier in a forum about track times and posted that my ST can run a 16.1 1/4 @86mph and NOBODY believed it. they kept saying that a stock ST couldn't ever run a 16 sec. 1/4,, well mine ISN'T STOCK!! is there anybody out there that believes me,, this is a celica club, you guys should be happy when you hear of someone that has put together a decently fast ST! not pick them apart.

[Jdog1385]

this kind of topic and replies are exactly what coomer did not want on the site

[scandinavian_lin...]

well, i'll add my opinion to this silliness.

i've had 7 celicas. (4 current in bold) an 85 gt-s, an 86 st, an 88 gt-s, an 88 alltrac, a 90 gt, a 90 alltrac, and a 94 st. all 5-speeds.

now, in my opinion they've all been rather slow. the quickest one i've had was the 88 alltrac at 10-11psi. the 85 gt-s was piggish cuz it needed worked on and was too heavy, the 86 was rather slow but fun as heck(mock the 2se if you wish but it has decent torque, and the st was very light), the 88 gt-s was slow i think something's wrong with it to be so extremely slow (or maybe the 3sge is just that in need of torque), the 90 gt was quicker but the weight gain compared to the 4th generation was noticeable and made it less fun to me than my 86 st. the 90 alltrac is mostly stock so pretty slow and the weight is terrible. so now we come to the 94 st.

basically ever since i bought it i thought maybe something was wrong with it because it seemed so slow. but there's not. it's quick enough for regular driving, and you can have fun once you get up to speed and take it through the corners fast with it's nice handling...but in terms of acceleration, i might be able to outrun it on foot j/k. however, the interior is awesome i love it, it's very comfortable, probably more than any of my other celicas, and the gas mileage is great. and i've put 13k miles on it since i bought it and i've only put in new plugs and changed the oil and the air filter....but it isn't very quick. but i bought it for economy and that's what i got. i'm not trying to put it down, and i'm sure there's some potential there...it feels great on twisty roads though, and to me, that is what celicas are about...they've never been about blinding acceleration.

all things considered, if i compare the 90 gt to my 94 st (since the 90 had the 5sfe) i'd say the difference would be small enough that it's absolutely pointless to be bickering about one 6th gen being so much slower than the other...unless you've got a st205, or a 3sgte swap. and even then...a celica is a celica. love em all. except the automatics take it easy...it's a joke.