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post May 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM
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well, looks like i have a worse case senario on my hands at this point.
removed the head on the 3s ive been working on, first thing i noticed was TONS of carbon..tops of the pistons are coated with it, its so heavy is actually flaking off.
next i had a look at the cylinder walls..and i discovered this:
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needless to say, the wife can feel it with her fingernail, and from what ive read, that = time for the machine shop.
which absolutly blows.
i had no intention of "building" this motor, as my power goals (~250WHP) really do not warrant it, and i really wanted to try and get it in ASAP.
so, now im at a crossroad....do i say to hell with it, and buy forged rods and pistons over the next several months, and slowly over the next year or so build the motor, and then start the headwork...(cause IMO its kinda pointless to put a factory head on a built block) which could take ANOTHER year with MY budget!...lol OR
another option at this point is a factory short block..i can get one new for as little as 1450$ or so to my door.
have the head rebuilt (~600) and start new...
OR
at this point, im fairly confident in the 5s block, we know the weak point is pistons and rods..and hell, im pretty close to my power goal as it is with the 5sfTe..im starting to think that for my power level, i could build the 5s to take the beating pretty easily for the next few years..especially if i spent a little more time on tuning, or stepped up and bought the emanage or somthing...
thoughts? ideas? comments?
help me out here, guys, im kinda bummed out about this whole thing. kindasad.gif


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post May 2, 2006 - 12:02 AM
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I 100% agree with Art - you have done what no one else has done with that 5s, what no one thought you could do, and what no one thought would last


its funny you said that, because i pretty much said the same thing to manny today on the phone. no one else has really taken a 5sfe this far. mad props to manny.


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5s costs
pistons, rods, 2.5 MAP, flywheel, cams, injectors, clutch...what around $1600-$1800ish ?

3s costs
rework (and pistons, rods) or new block around $1400 easy, head rebuild - $500, and still all of the costs waiting in plans for the 3s...a bazillion $$


very good point. the one thing im missing is, why crack into the 5sfe? it runs, its fine. keep it where its at an enjoy it while it lasts. its all uncharted terrtory, and for all you know, you could make a mistake while installing the new pisonts or some other unforseen problem could happen and end up with 2 damaged motors.

when you step back and look at it. your going to be spending 2grand on either motor. i would put that money into the 3sgte. why? because you can get a very realiable OEM short block and head rebuild that has been proven time and time again to be a rock solid setup. it will give you lots of room to grow in the future too. you know that next year your going to want to have 300hp and try to break into 12s at the track, right? we all say we only want XXX hp ... but the fact is, that you alwasy want more .


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Posts in this topic
- presure2   bad news for my 3SGTE engine (56K ouchie)   May 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM
- - b1gr3d   see if they can hone the hell out of it before get...   May 1, 2006 - 7:47 AM
- - devilsden97   wow bad break manny. i dont even know what to say....   May 1, 2006 - 7:52 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   damn sorry to hear that manny...if ur serious abou...   May 1, 2006 - 7:55 AM
- - playr158   awww poo.....i'm sorry to hear about that mann...   May 1, 2006 - 8:53 AM
- - defgeph   Damn Manny. I would check with every machine sho...   May 1, 2006 - 10:03 AM
- - jgreening   You sure that can't be machined out without go...   May 1, 2006 - 11:28 AM
- - lagos   sorry to hear about your 3s. its a good thing you...   May 1, 2006 - 11:44 AM
- - playr158   Ok more indepth opinion of mine.... that isn...   May 1, 2006 - 12:06 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   HOLY CARBON! man i hate to see that. put the m...   May 1, 2006 - 12:33 PM
- - Jeremy1210   A little off topic, but how does a scratch like th...   May 1, 2006 - 2:38 PM
- - presure2   thanks for the replies, guys. theres no doubt that...   May 1, 2006 - 3:28 PM
- - playr158   lol i got my own bill with some of those parts on ...   May 1, 2006 - 4:23 PM
- - bigal004321   I hope my 3s doesnt look like that on the inside.....   May 1, 2006 - 6:35 PM
- - GT4WRC   From personal experience, I doubt it very much if ...   May 1, 2006 - 6:45 PM
- - Batman722   we talked about it but I will put my opinion down ...   May 1, 2006 - 11:38 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE I 100% agree with Art - you have done what n...   May 2, 2006 - 12:02 AM
- - 97sccelica   you really should try to just hone it and see how ...   May 2, 2006 - 12:12 AM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Damn Manny, sorry to hear about the motor. Howe...   May 2, 2006 - 5:47 PM
- - presure2   thanks corey, i appreciate the kind words. what yo...   May 2, 2006 - 5:56 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   No prob Manny, I've always loved you and wife...   May 3, 2006 - 11:04 AM
- - OOBE   Manny, I say keep building the 5S-FE. You are alre...   May 4, 2006 - 2:50 PM
- - celicast3sgte   3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pis...   May 5, 2006 - 12:27 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(celicast3sgte @ May 5, 2006 - 1...   May 5, 2006 - 6:36 AM
- - madmods   I would have to say the plan on keeping you 5 and ...   May 5, 2006 - 1:48 AM
- - lagos   sounds like a good plan. i think the emanage and t...   May 5, 2006 - 12:02 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(lagos @ May 5, 2006 - 1:02 PM)...   May 5, 2006 - 12:07 PM
- - lagos   sounds good... clean it up . i want to see more bl...   May 5, 2006 - 12:18 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Manny that sounds like a great plan. I'm su...   May 6, 2006 - 12:36 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   good look manny im sure u can push that motor a li...   May 6, 2006 - 2:38 PM


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