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post May 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM
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well, looks like i have a worse case senario on my hands at this point.
removed the head on the 3s ive been working on, first thing i noticed was TONS of carbon..tops of the pistons are coated with it, its so heavy is actually flaking off.
next i had a look at the cylinder walls..and i discovered this:
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needless to say, the wife can feel it with her fingernail, and from what ive read, that = time for the machine shop.
which absolutly blows.
i had no intention of "building" this motor, as my power goals (~250WHP) really do not warrant it, and i really wanted to try and get it in ASAP.
so, now im at a crossroad....do i say to hell with it, and buy forged rods and pistons over the next several months, and slowly over the next year or so build the motor, and then start the headwork...(cause IMO its kinda pointless to put a factory head on a built block) which could take ANOTHER year with MY budget!...lol OR
another option at this point is a factory short block..i can get one new for as little as 1450$ or so to my door.
have the head rebuilt (~600) and start new...
OR
at this point, im fairly confident in the 5s block, we know the weak point is pistons and rods..and hell, im pretty close to my power goal as it is with the 5sfTe..im starting to think that for my power level, i could build the 5s to take the beating pretty easily for the next few years..especially if i spent a little more time on tuning, or stepped up and bought the emanage or somthing...
thoughts? ideas? comments?
help me out here, guys, im kinda bummed out about this whole thing. kindasad.gif


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post May 5, 2006 - 12:27 AM
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3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pistons, keep the rods, keep the head (for now) you can pull it off in car later on. itll give you the best of both worlds. just my opinion for what it carries around here


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post May 5, 2006 - 6:36 AM
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QUOTE(celicast3sgte @ May 5, 2006 - 1:27 AM) [snapback]430336[/snapback]

3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pistons, keep the rods, keep the head (for now) you can pull it off in car later on. itll give you the best of both worlds. just my opinion for what it carries around here

if you wanna dump me the close to 10K it would take to do that PROPERLY, id be more than happy to. wink.gif the idea of putting a stock head on a stroker motor is pointless to me.

ok guys...ive been thinking ALOT about all the diffrent senarios, talking to all of my good friends (thanks guys) about the good and bad of each setup, including cost, goals, and knowledge required to get each senario done, ect.

ive come up with a few things.

#1 and most importanly, im a broke mofo. lol i dont have a large reserve of cash that i can lay into to build ANY motor, let alone a 3sgte monster.
#2 the 5sfTe has be VERY good to me up till this point, and shows no signs of stopping.

so, that said, im going to put the 3SGTE plan on the back burner for a while. im going to put the block and head in engine bags, and kinda stuff it in a corner for awhile.

the 5SFTE is gonna take me where i wanna go.

i have a few minor things i want to work on "shoring-up", that i had kinda been ignoring in anticipation of the 3s. basicly tidy up the whole setup, just make it a cleaner, more efficent install, with a cleaner look.
i need to reroute my water bypass lines for the oil cooler and turbo, they were kinda just thrown together last minute, so i need to take a little time and optimize that.
i NEED to get my damn oil cooler actually mounted. lol as well as do somthing about the GETTO autozone dryer duct intake pipe.
im thinking about getting new intercooler piping as well. my piping is alumizied, and while it hasnt started yet, it can and will eventually rust. i HAVE to replace it before it starts to rust, you all can imagine how nice a chunk of rust would sound running thru my engine.
once that smaller stuff is taken care of, im gonna save up a bit and get the emanage, or ultimate emanage, depending on the outcome of more research.
one thing i noticed from a quick browse is that the emanage ultimate has compensation maps, which i think is a really cool thing, and will allow me to learn more about tuning on a basic level.
like i was telling the chicken man last night, the emanage is like the next logical step in the learning process for me. while its not a full standalone, it works on alot of the same principals, and alot of the operational process works like a standalone would.
once i got all that externall stuff taken care of, i will continue to push the motor, expanding the horizon on what can be done with the little 5s.
ive had an offer from nukeularhappiness for an adjustable cam gear, (itd be a 2jz gear thats machined to fit the 5s cam), and im thinking i may take him up on that, as well as maybe trying a cam.
i really wanna try and optimize my pump gas tune, cause i know there is ALOT more in it if i can get it properlly tuned.
and, even in a worse case senario, one thing that we realized in all the talk...the 5s is a very cheap, and available everywhere, in practicly every junkyard across the contry.
if i pop mine, finding a replacement will be easy, and relitivly cheap. hell, i can pick up a nice 96+ camry motor for around 600, and a 98-99 for around 800.
i also wanna take a second, and thank ALL OF YOU.
most of you have taken an interest in my project since day one, and i appreciate that greatly.
this project is somthing that has taken on a life of its own, with the help of all the cool people i have met on this site, and others.
without all of you, nothing ive accoplished with it would have been possible. thank you.
and with your help, ill take this thing to the next level, and beyond. smile.gif


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- presure2   bad news for my 3SGTE engine (56K ouchie)   May 1, 2006 - 7:36 AM
- - b1gr3d   see if they can hone the hell out of it before get...   May 1, 2006 - 7:47 AM
- - devilsden97   wow bad break manny. i dont even know what to say....   May 1, 2006 - 7:52 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   damn sorry to hear that manny...if ur serious abou...   May 1, 2006 - 7:55 AM
- - playr158   awww poo.....i'm sorry to hear about that mann...   May 1, 2006 - 8:53 AM
- - defgeph   Damn Manny. I would check with every machine sho...   May 1, 2006 - 10:03 AM
- - jgreening   You sure that can't be machined out without go...   May 1, 2006 - 11:28 AM
- - lagos   sorry to hear about your 3s. its a good thing you...   May 1, 2006 - 11:44 AM
- - playr158   Ok more indepth opinion of mine.... that isn...   May 1, 2006 - 12:06 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   HOLY CARBON! man i hate to see that. put the m...   May 1, 2006 - 12:33 PM
- - Jeremy1210   A little off topic, but how does a scratch like th...   May 1, 2006 - 2:38 PM
- - presure2   thanks for the replies, guys. theres no doubt that...   May 1, 2006 - 3:28 PM
- - playr158   lol i got my own bill with some of those parts on ...   May 1, 2006 - 4:23 PM
- - bigal004321   I hope my 3s doesnt look like that on the inside.....   May 1, 2006 - 6:35 PM
- - GT4WRC   From personal experience, I doubt it very much if ...   May 1, 2006 - 6:45 PM
- - Batman722   we talked about it but I will put my opinion down ...   May 1, 2006 - 11:38 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE I 100% agree with Art - you have done what n...   May 2, 2006 - 12:02 AM
- - 97sccelica   you really should try to just hone it and see how ...   May 2, 2006 - 12:12 AM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Damn Manny, sorry to hear about the motor. Howe...   May 2, 2006 - 5:47 PM
- - presure2   thanks corey, i appreciate the kind words. what yo...   May 2, 2006 - 5:56 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   No prob Manny, I've always loved you and wife...   May 3, 2006 - 11:04 AM
- - OOBE   Manny, I say keep building the 5S-FE. You are alre...   May 4, 2006 - 2:50 PM
- - celicast3sgte   3s-gte 2.2 Stroker.... nemesis ecu, and forged pis...   May 5, 2006 - 12:27 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(celicast3sgte @ May 5, 2006 - 1...   May 5, 2006 - 6:36 AM
- - madmods   I would have to say the plan on keeping you 5 and ...   May 5, 2006 - 1:48 AM
- - lagos   sounds like a good plan. i think the emanage and t...   May 5, 2006 - 12:02 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(lagos @ May 5, 2006 - 1:02 PM)...   May 5, 2006 - 12:07 PM
- - lagos   sounds good... clean it up . i want to see more bl...   May 5, 2006 - 12:18 PM
- - Silver94CelicaOwner   Manny that sounds like a great plan. I'm su...   May 6, 2006 - 12:36 AM
- - BBoYRuGGeD   good look manny im sure u can push that motor a li...   May 6, 2006 - 2:38 PM


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