Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 9, 2006 - 7:36 PM) [snapback]453830[/snapback] QUOTE(gtfc115 @ Jul 9, 2006 - 2:22 PM) [snapback]453714[/snapback] is that an ATS TB inlet? looks nice. i ordered one last week! Yup, I ordered that and the GM Knock Sensor Conversion for Doc to install. Along with the healthy dose of goodies that he's putting in the car.......should be really niiiiiiice. i woudlnt recomend using the GM knock sensor. it dosnt work correctly for our cars and ats should stop selling it imho. keep the stock sensor. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Jul 10, 2006 - 10:57 AM
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knock sensors work because they blow when detonation occurs rather than grenading your engine. The reason people switch to the GM sensor is because it is "stout" and doesn't blow as often as the Toyota one. Just what I want in a knock sensor
-------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 10, 2006 - 11:57 AM) [snapback]454043[/snapback] knock sensors work because they blow when detonation occurs rather than grenading your engine. The reason people switch to the GM sensor is because it is "stout" and doesn't blow as often as the Toyota one. Just what I want in a knock sensor The problem with the Toyota knock sensors is that they're not very hardy. One good bout of knock and you've got a dead sensor. Next time you end up getting knock, with a dead sensor not detecting it, you are at MUCH increased risk of damaging your motor. I can personally attest to the GM knock sensors putting up with a TON of knock and not even batting an eye, I've seen it myself both in car and on the dyno multiple times. For the time being, I'm convinced that the GM conversion is a smart move. -------------------- |
Jul 10, 2006 - 1:45 PM
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:08 PM) [snapback]454099[/snapback] For the time being, I'm convinced that the GM conversion is a smart move. Go read about the people on mr2oc.com that have blown up their 3sgte using the GM knock sensor. As for my comment, I meant that the Toyota knock sensor will blow under serious detonation event. Is this ideal? Of course not. Is it better than grenading your engine? Of course. The problem with the GM knock sensor from the reading I have done is that it simply misses alot of detonation. Some posts have indicated that it is "listening" for a different frequency. I have no idea if this is true or not. What I do know is that I have read about more than a couple examples of broken ringlands with engines with the GM knock sensor. This post has been edited by jgreening: Jul 10, 2006 - 1:46 PM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
lagos GM knock sensor thread Jul 10, 2006 - 12:10 AM
Fastbird QUOTE(Silver94CelicaOwner @ Jul 10, 2006 ... Jul 10, 2006 - 9:03 AM
lagos QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 10, 2006 - 2:08... Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM
jgreening QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM... Jul 10, 2006 - 4:35 PM
Fastbird Ok guys, I can understand what you're saying n... Jul 10, 2006 - 1:58 PM
lagos i roxors @ teh wizdomz Jul 10, 2006 - 4:48 PM
Fastbird Well guys, after digging around on MR2OC for a whi... Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19 AM
jgreening QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 8:19... Jul 11, 2006 - 1:32 PM
lagos QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:19... Jul 11, 2006 - 12:50 PM
Dr_Tweak Okay, normally I let things like this slide, but I... Jul 11, 2006 - 5:28 PM
lagos QUOTEYou're not a professional mechanic and yo... Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM
WannabeGT4 QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 5:51 PM... Jul 11, 2006 - 6:12 PM
brianforster i promised myself id stay out of this but how does... Jul 11, 2006 - 7:39 PM
jgreening QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 7... Jul 11, 2006 - 9:06 PM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:51 P... Jul 11, 2006 - 8:02 PM
brianforster thanks for clearing it up jay, im going to have to... Jul 11, 2006 - 9:21 PM
jgreening QUOTE(brianforster @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9... Jul 11, 2006 - 9:32 PM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:3... Jul 11, 2006 - 10:21 PM

WannabeGT4 QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 11, 2006 - 10:2... Jul 11, 2006 - 10:30 PM

jgreening Fastbird and Doc:
Your logic escapes me here. Pl... Jul 12, 2006 - 9:58 AM

Dr_Tweak [quote name='jgreening' date='Jul 12, ... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM

jgreening [quote name='Dr_Tweak' date='Jul 12, 2... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:16 AM
WannabeGT4 QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 11, 2006 - 9:3... Jul 11, 2006 - 10:23 PM
presure2 QUOTEPlus I like his hair.
that in itself is wort... Jul 11, 2006 - 9:40 PM
lagos QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 11, 2006 - 11... Jul 11, 2006 - 10:52 PM
sinner96ST Tweaks been an invaluable member to this site, as ... Jul 11, 2006 - 11:34 PM
presure2 tweak... i just went back a read all my post in th... Jul 12, 2006 - 6:05 AM
Fastbird Guys, I want to clear something up. I did NOT buy... Jul 12, 2006 - 6:59 AM
brianforster one thing that doesnt make sense to me is you say ... Jul 12, 2006 - 9:21 AM
CelicaSTX02 I say, Fastbird should stick to the GM knock senso... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:08 AM
Fastbird QUOTE(CelicaSTX02 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 11... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:47 AM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:22 AM
CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:03 PM
presure2 fastbird & tweek:
i think your misunderstandin... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:20 AM
CelicaSTX02 QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 8:20... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:32 AM
presure2
thats not how the ecu works tho...it detects knoc... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:53 AM
WannabeGT4 QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:16 AM
presure2 QUOTE'nuff said.
-Doc
not at all, its clear h... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:25 AM
lagos QUOTEshouldn't the GM sensor be just fine cons... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:01 PM
Fastbird First things first, Dr. Tweak did NOT talk me into... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:32 PM
Consynx don't almost all sensors go into a safe mode w... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:36 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:36 ... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
Fastbird And another thing . If GM sensors are narrow band... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:44 PM
jgreening QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 12:4... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:5... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
jgreening That is one post in the thread. And if I were wil... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:45 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:4... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:51 PM
presure2 QUOTELook at this. Where does the knock sensor ins... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:46 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:46... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:52 PM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:52... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:55 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:55... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
CilverSeliST205 QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:19 PM
Dr_Tweak You know what you guys should do, if you really wa... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:53 PM
Consynx that was smart of GM to put it in the coolant actu... Jul 12, 2006 - 12:58 PM
Consynx QUOTE(Fastbird @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10:5... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:09 PM
Fastbird Consynx, cliff notes was that I used how the cylin... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:13 PM
lagos QUOTEAnd another thing . If GM sensors are narrow ... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:18 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:18 PM... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:24 PM
lagos now we get to the real truth ... you just want to ... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:29 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2:29 PM... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
defgeph Whats all this fear of a knock sensor ? Who has ev... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:38 PM
scothaniel Just to add to the heated fun here.
I had a stock... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:42 PM
Fastbird QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:54 PM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 6... Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21 PM
jgreening QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 12, 2006 - 3:21... Jul 12, 2006 - 3:47 PM
lagos QUOTE(scothaniel @ Jul 12, 2006 - 2... Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM
jgreening QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 1:50 PM... Jul 12, 2006 - 2:31 PM
scothaniel QUOTEthe important thing to note is that you were ... Jul 12, 2006 - 2:20 PM
scothaniel Always happy to share my experiences with others -... Jul 12, 2006 - 4:01 PM
Rjb23 I'm running the GM knock sensor and have had z... Jul 12, 2006 - 4:06 PM
phattyduck Ok, to start of... I AM an engineer (electrical e... Jul 12, 2006 - 5:45 PM
Dr_Tweak QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10... Jul 12, 2006 - 7:06 PM
jgreening QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:15 PM
phattyduck QUOTE(jgreening @ Jul 12, 2006 - 9:1... Jul 13, 2006 - 6:33 PM
jgreening QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 6... Jul 13, 2006 - 8:11 PM
Consynx ^ i'm with him ^
EE aint my thing, but eng in ... Jul 12, 2006 - 6:04 PM
presure2 QUOTE(Consynx @ Jul 12, 2006 - 7:04 ... Jul 12, 2006 - 6:33 PM
lagos QUOTEWhether the sensor resonates at 5.7k or 6.3k ... Jul 12, 2006 - 7:19 PM
lagos and finally ....FOR THE WIN....
a copy of the toy... Jul 12, 2006 - 7:29 PM
phattyduck QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 12, 2006 - 5:29 PM... Jul 13, 2006 - 6:42 PM
WannabeGT4 Nice find. I had forgotten about those. Jul 12, 2006 - 7:34 PM
brianforster QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 12:29 A... Jul 12, 2006 - 7:36 PM
Batman722 after skimming through this post I have some newbi... Jul 12, 2006 - 10:51 PM
CelicaGT04 QUOTE(Batman722 @ Jul 12, 2006 - 10... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:41 PM
lagos QUOTEIm glad we have great moderators like lagos a... Jul 12, 2006 - 11:44 PM
scothaniel QUOTEthe stock (toyota sensor) might tend to blow ... Jul 13, 2006 - 1:14 AM
lagos QUOTE(phattyduck @ Jul 13, 2006 - 7... Jul 13, 2006 - 10:43 PM
phattyduck QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 13, 2006 - 8:43 PM... Jul 14, 2006 - 6:02 PM
presure2 lets keep this thread on topic. Jul 14, 2006 - 5:52 AM
Fastbird QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 14, 2006 - 6:52... Jul 14, 2006 - 9:03 AM
lagos QUOTEI did read it. Just because that's what t... Jul 14, 2006 - 6:06 PM
phattyduck QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 14, 2006 - 4:06 PM... Jul 14, 2006 - 6:09 PM![]() ![]() |
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