Awesome Thread., 2ZZ/1ZZ <-> E153? Maybe... Options

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I found this discussion on NewCelica.org about trying to shoehorn the E153 transmission onto the later ZZ series engines by Toyota via an adaptor kit...

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213963

Thought that it was really interesting....not only for the turbo 2ZZGE guys on that forum that desire a more rugged gearbox option, but somebody else mentioned that it would allow cars like the SW20 MR2, Corolla, STxxx and ATxxx Celicas, Currens, Camrys, Solara, you name it to use the 2ZZ motor with ease in those chassis. Also, in theory you could use such a kit in a reverse role and use the components from the kit that allow the E153 to mount up to the 2ZZGE block on a Lotus Elise, and thus allowing for the use of S-series Toyota motors in a Lotus Elise by changing one mount only.

Can you say, 3SGTE powered Elise? BEAMS powered Elise even?? How about a 2ZZ powered ST202/204, ATxxx? Interesting stuff.

[Kwanza26]

Umm... I haven't looked at the postings at newcelica.org... but this is NOT new news and you're a bit over-excited. To start... no you cannot use any sort of adaptor plate without modifying the exsisting bellhousing or input shaft. Why? The input shaft is a certain length and the idea of an adaptor plate just defeats that. The ONLY real way to bolt an e153 to a 2zz is to machine a CUSTOM bellhousing. The ZZ series engines, although they do use C series trannies, do not share the same bellhousings as the older C series trannies in the celicas and corollas. Hell... even the current 1nzfe still uses a C series tranny. Their gearsets are the same however. The 7gc 6 speed is basically the same as the 20V blacktop 6 speed with slightly different bellhousings.

Basically put... gearsets do NOT interchange between S series trannies and E series trannies... Gearsets do interchange between the different C series trannies, and you cannot randomly swap trannies with adaptor plates... unless of course these 'adaptor plates' are custom bellhousings. That's not even considering the mounting, axles, shift cables, or anything like that.