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post Dec 21, 2006 - 4:46 PM
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ok so i currently have no freaking clue whats wrong with my electrical system.

after the swap , the first time i tried to "daily drive" The car, the car would die after about 3 days of sitting, i figured it was the ****ty walmart battery so my friend lent me a battery and that worked great for like 3 weeks.

fast forward to winter (during the fall i pretty much let the car sit, id drive it prolly once every 2 weeks) i thought all of my electrical problems were over because with this new battery my friend gave me , the car would start fine even after sitting for like 2 weeks.

now winter and my car did not get along, when i went to drive home for thanksgiving, it was freezing out, and i had to jumpstart the car, i noticed that when i was stopped at a light, the battery light would come on, i have learned that this means there is a problem with the charging system (or so i thought?? someone care to clarify this)

so i revved the car up and the light turned off, i made the 2 hour trip home safely because the car never really idled again, woke up the next morning and it was dead (Battery didnt hold charge because it definitly should have charged after a 2 hour ride home)

so , i say SCREW THIS, i drop 150 bucks on an optima red top, i decide i dont wanna have any more battery troubles.. WRONG.

take the car home and i put it in, the car wont crank at full speed? (Wtf?) eventually it seems to go from slow cranking to normal cranking and stay at a normal cranking speed.. but the car will not start.

so, i figure its the alternator, replace that, doesnt fix it.. so i have both the battery and the alternator tested, both are fine.. so it must be a short, right?

well i find that my MAIN battery cable, going to the starter, is frayed and ripped, so i soldered it all up, and electrical taped it real nice.. got the battery fully charged, assembled it all, and it started right up the next morning for me to go back to school.

2 hour drive back to school, park car, due to finals and stuff i dont end up driving the car for 3 weeks.

go to start the car and it needs a jump start, after talking to a few people, most say it is probably normal for a battery to need a jump (it wasnt completely dead, just cranking slowly) after 3 weeks, so i write it off, drive home for a christmas party, drive back, park car, this was saturday.

fast forward to today, thursday, i go to drive the car again (so its been like 5 days, and the battery should theoretically be fully charged since i drove it 2 hours straight) and it needs a jump, well i jump it and all is well.. except when it started to get darker and i turned my lights on, the battery light came on! turned lights off, battery light goes off!

so i drive around for a bit trying to get the battery charged, but after about 20 minutes of driving, i got to the point where the battery light wouldnt come on when i turn the lights on, but would when i turn the highbeams on.

is this just my battery very slowly being charged up by the alternator? i dont udnerstand why the battery light comes on when i use an accessory, if someone could please explain to me how the battery light works perhaps this could enlighten me to my problem.

so now i have two theories, one, when i went to get my battery charged at autozone they charged it but the machine kept reading not charged, so they charged it like 3 times, when they gave my battery back there was acid all over it and it was really really hot, so maybe they overcharged it and damaged it.

second, i have another short somewhere, this battery light problem is weird, maybe the alternator isnt big enough to keep charging this heavy duty red top?

i need your input guys, i think i will probably end up taking it to like a mr tire and having them do a whole electrical system test.

thanks
-brian

 
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post Dec 28, 2006 - 11:15 AM
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The reason you might be getting 0.03 is because the system is reset. I forgot to mention this. You may want to try the test again to see if it will go in some sort of "sleep mode". Door locks ECU, engine ECU, clock, radio, headlight ECU and some other devices all draw a small amount of current for memory and/or for functioning. The ones that are functioning have a timer on them to turn off after a certain amount of time.


The next step is critical, read carefully or you will not get the results you want.

Make sure NOTHING is on or else you will burn the wire.
Do this after leaving the car sitting for 45mins to an hour. (to make sure all the timers are up)

If during any of the step you break the contact between the battery and the clamp (ie no more path from clamp to terminal) you will have to start over again leaving the car for 45m-1hr.

Loosen the clamp bolt but don't break the contact.

Take a piece of wire (16g to 12g), with the clamp still on the terminal, tie the wire to the terminal of the battery and tie the other end to the clamp. Make sure it's secure/long enough not to slip off when you take off the clamp.

Carefully take off the clamp (the wire should make contact between the clamp and the terminal).

Take your meter and attach it to the battery terminal and the clamp (like you've done before to test for draw).

Carefully remove the wire and note the draw.

*for extra safety, you should use a fuse holder w/ 10A fuse instead of a wire. but a wire should work fine, you just have to watch yourself.

also, could you test the battery voltage while running cold and reving 2-3k
you should see 14.x Volts, that means it's charging alright.


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Posts in this topic
- brianforster   help with electrical issues (battery draining, battery light on, etc)   Dec 21, 2006 - 4:46 PM
- - trdproven   usually when the battery is not charging is becaus...   Dec 21, 2006 - 5:41 PM
- - brianforster   i had the alternator tested like 2 weeks ago and i...   Dec 21, 2006 - 5:49 PM
- - brianforster   well after letting it sit for like 3 hours , it st...   Dec 21, 2006 - 6:46 PM
- - brianforster   had my alternator tested while it was on the car.....   Dec 21, 2006 - 7:37 PM
- - K-ESD   the alternator, from my experience, charges at 14....   Dec 21, 2006 - 8:24 PM
- - K-ESD   interesting piece of information about the alterna...   Dec 21, 2006 - 8:42 PM
- - brianforster   well the test was definitly done when the car was ...   Dec 21, 2006 - 8:54 PM
- - K-ESD   what kind of alternator did you put in? looks like...   Dec 21, 2006 - 9:56 PM
- - brianforster   i went to the store and purchased a nice digital m...   Dec 21, 2006 - 11:31 PM
- - K-ESD   10.9 volts is pretty much a dead battery the volta...   Dec 22, 2006 - 9:01 PM
- - soven   should really read around 12v with the car off. st...   Dec 22, 2006 - 9:45 PM
- - brianforster   thanks kesd, i totally forgot about the underdrive...   Dec 22, 2006 - 11:02 PM
- - brianforster   ok, update.. today i had the battery tested and re...   Dec 27, 2006 - 5:49 PM
- - K-ESD   The reason you might be getting 0.03 is because th...   Dec 28, 2006 - 11:15 AM
- - brianforster   does my idle charging volts seem alright for someo...   Dec 28, 2006 - 2:17 PM
- - AudioFreak   Realize that with the underdrive pulley you aren...   Dec 28, 2006 - 6:43 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(brianforster @ Dec 28, 2006 - 3...   Dec 28, 2006 - 11:14 PM
- - brianforster   is it possible to do a parasitic draw test by goin...   Dec 28, 2006 - 11:53 PM
- - brianforster   and do you happen to know an acceptable voltage dr...   Dec 29, 2006 - 12:00 AM
- - K-ESD   Your battery should be 12.x to 13 volts after sitt...   Dec 29, 2006 - 11:32 AM
- - brianforster   even at idle as soon as i start it up i see the vo...   Dec 29, 2006 - 12:29 PM
- - brianforster   haha well guess what, i decided to start pulling f...   Dec 29, 2006 - 12:44 PM
- - brianforster   im new to reading wiring diagrams, but according t...   Dec 29, 2006 - 1:02 PM
- - brianforster   more importantly, there is a fuse on my fuse box c...   Dec 29, 2006 - 1:09 PM
- - brianforster   i was wrong, the wiring diagram shows it as a ...   Dec 29, 2006 - 1:15 PM
- - brianforster   well it had nothign to do with the short pin.. the...   Dec 29, 2006 - 1:39 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   for the longest time my car would do crazy crap li...   Dec 29, 2006 - 1:57 PM
|- - Jaws4God   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Dec 29, 2006 - 6...   Jan 17, 2007 - 12:38 PM
- - brianforster   k-esd, i see that you are posting, maybe since you...   Dec 29, 2006 - 2:07 PM
- - K-ESD   QUOTE(brianforster @ Dec 29, 2006 - 3...   Dec 29, 2006 - 2:14 PM
- - jcbass7   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1...   Jan 17, 2007 - 1:09 PM


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