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post Feb 25, 2007 - 8:52 PM
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I hesitated creating a thread regarding this but this is really the best medium in which many people can talk openly about something w/o much consequence. Plus I'm big on freedom of speech and so here it goes.

Friday night I go and see Damon Wayans stand up. Second time I saw him, and he was pretty funny the first time. This time he wasn't nearly as funny. Mainly because he started attacking anything that wasn't Christian. Oh boy. So he goes on to say that evolution is the stupidest thing he's ever heard and goes about mocking how its ridiculous something just formed and one day hopped out of the water and another day got legs and another day jumped up into a tree and then finally said "I got to get a job" as a human.

Hilarious. Oh wait, its not. In fact I was flabberghasted and the level of sheer stupidity emanating from this mans mouth. Evolution is the stupidest thing he's heard? Did he think it happened in 6 days? He then continued to say that atheism is on the rise and its basically got to be stopped and how its horrible not to believe in anything.

By now your thinking, where is he going with this? My dilemma which is actually eating at me is how many of you think that evolution isn't real? How many people think that evolution happened overnight; and how many people are under the impression that evolution is just a hypothesis, nothing more than a guess; how many people think atheism is evil? Im genuinely curious.

If I dont get any responses to this I'll chalk it up to I wrote too much, you got tired, fell asleep and drooled on your keyboard. I also want to say that if you do decide to respond, you do it in an intelligent, RESPECTFUL manner. I'm not looking for this to get closed because religion is a very very touchy subject. This is primarily for those who have an open mind, and willing to engage in intelligent conversation.

Thanks.


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post Feb 28, 2007 - 1:07 AM
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heres my 2 cents

im catholic. i believe in God. i believe in evolution. i dont see the point in going to church every week, so i dont go. i hate people that try to push their beliefs. i dont try to push mine, i just explain why i think the way i do. if you agree fine, if not, who cares. i wont get offended.

the bible is just a bunch of stories, more of a mother goose and tales rather than a factual representation of history. your not supposed to take it literally, but realize the story behind it and i guess the morals, but then again i find alot of morals in there to be pretty messed up. i pretty much pick and choose what i decide to take in.

the universe and all of creation was not made in 6 days (God rested on the 7th) even though the bible says so. at least not what we know as one week. if 1000 years was one second to God, then the whole 1 week for creation story seems more plausible.

adam and eve story shows us that we were specially chosen from the rest of the animal kingdom to take care of everything that God has made. and today we really do need to take care of the planet, for it is our home, mother earth. when we are young, we follow orders and just take things for granted, but sometimes we question the reasoning of older people (God) and choose our own paths (like adam and eve). the snake is like part of our conscience that makes us question ourselves. just like freud's id, ego, and superego. a lot of times questioning ourselves is a good thing though.

people find religion therapeutic, some are addicted to it. believing in things is what makes us human. no other living thing has that.

i think it was descarte (or however u spell it) who said, "i think, therefore i am". the fact that i can think means i exist. i dont know if you exist, or in fact if im really where i think i am. i just know i exist. the mind just puts together all the input from all of our senses and tries to make sense of it. what does God look like? who knows? people say we were made in his image. does that mean he looks human? and because of evolution, does that mean God first looked like a primordial glob of goo?? i think that by saying we were made in his image, it forces people to "think" that he is somehow in all of us for people then see the likeness, thereby humbling us to one another. one might interpret this as kindness.

people have put together their experiences throughout existence and tried to make sense of that. and thats where the bible comes along. its not history like we know history (as a book of facts). to me its a history of peoples stories spread throughout time. it probably has changed millions of times for it came from a time where theres no way in hell anything was written so it was mostly spoken. like that game where you tell someone something and it travels to the end of the line, the words will be different but the message is the same. all the books that different major religions follow preach similar messages of peace, patience, virtue, and love.

not to say that the majority of society are dimwitted, but if your gonna get a message across, it is easier to explain it in detail with reasoning and rationale behind every action? or to make a story that will make you think and get the message (hopefully).

comedians are stupid. they look at things and try to get something funny from it. their whole existence is based on the fact that they have a seperate opinion and we watch them to see their interpretation of things and hopefully find them entertaining. their reasonings are illogical. spock would never laugh at one. i watch them sometimes and get a good laugh, but i would never take them seriously. their method of thinking is, if A=C and B=C, then A must equal B. they don't care about the why. why does A=B? and sometimes A doesn't equal B. for example:

A is a rectangle
B is a square
C is a shape with 4 sides

both A and B have 4 sides but a rectangle does not have 4 equal sides like a square

a comedian uses flawed logic sometimes to make a rectangle into a square. like the bible, dont take them too literally, just try and get the message.

This post has been edited by forkee: Feb 28, 2007 - 1:26 AM


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