 Need help deciding if I should sell out...., How can you put up with FWD? |
 Apr 17, 2007 - 11:20 PM
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Lately I've been getting more and more into drag racing, horsepower, autox, drifting and upgrading cars in general.
 And sadly, my sexy little FWD GT celi just isn't cutting it.  Now I'm in a decisional dilemma. For years I wanted a celica because I still think it's by far the nicest looking car of its class. When I first got my car, I had dreams of a 3s swap, and lots of exterior mods. But no matter what, racing a FWD car, no matter how much power at the crank it's got, just can't get that power to the ground well enough. I've played with the idea of an AWD conversion with the celi; I'm not at all daunted by the work, I just don't have 5 grand(+) to sink into it. For that price, I could get a 240sx shell, and drop in a RB26DETT. (that's the skyline engine for those of you that don't know) That would be an amazing car, and it would be crazy fun to drive.Anyway, I know some of you will say stuff about how could I betray my kind.  But I'm curious to hear what those of you that are really car racers and modders say? How can you put up with a celica, no matter how much power you've got under the hood? I love fantasizing about driving up to races with a kick-arse celica, half the people saying, "what's that?" and blow everyone away,(somewhat like tufy,  ) but the money required to basically do a full gt4 conversion plus suspension upgrades and bolt-ons is just ridiculous... Should I just sell the black beauty and sink my money into something that can really perform amazing for cheap? Or maybe just save up for another year (maybe more), AWD convert the celica, and get a very good(with awesome handling, and looks), but not really that amazing of a performance car?
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Apr 24, 2007 - 10:40 AM
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FWD sucks.
Look at the sports cars that are on the market today - the ones that you dream about. 90% are RWD and the other 10% are AWD. How many are FWD? None. Do you know why? Because FWD is designed for safety for the average driver in snow and rain conditions. Nothing else. While its kinda cool to make a FWD car fast, there are many distinctions that make fast RWD cars better. Traction, Power Oversteer, No Torquesteer, Easier to prevent understeer, etc. These things make incredible differences in how fun the car is to drive. (my $.02) -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Apr 24, 2007 - 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Apr 24, 2007 - 11:40 AM) [snapback]549979[/snapback] FWD sucks. Look at the sports cars that are on the market today - the ones that you dream about. 90% are RWD and the other 10% are AWD. How many are FWD? None. Do you know why? Because FWD is designed for safety for the average driver in snow and rain conditions. Nothing else. While its kinda cool to make a FWD car fast, there are many distinctions that make fast RWD cars better. Traction, Power Oversteer, No Torquesteer, Easier to prevent understeer, etc. These things make incredible differences in how fun the car is to drive. (my $.02) One car i dream about and would love to have VW GTi .... Sure i love to take a corner in a rwd sports coupe.. and love even more to rip the line in an awd... and fwd i just love it cause i have fun making bad drivers in better preforming cars feel like crap .. but to anyone that owns a celi and think FWD suck .. my question to you is . why did you get a FWD car ?? -------------------- |
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tin_foil Need help deciding if I should sell out.... Apr 17, 2007 - 11:20 PM
Bigmeanbulldog55 What kind of racing are you doing? You can't ... Apr 17, 2007 - 11:43 PM tin_foil no, I'm nowhere near a street racer. I didn... Apr 18, 2007 - 12:41 AM
macavely QUOTE(tin_foil @ Apr 18, 2007 - 1:41... Apr 22, 2007 - 10:57 PM Bigmeanbulldog55 QUOTE(macavely @ Apr 22, 2007 - 11:5... Apr 23, 2007 - 4:50 PM 96bluevert QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Apr 23, 2007 - ... Apr 24, 2007 - 10:55 AM bccentaur3 dude you ahve stated that FWD SUCKS. Do yourself a... Apr 18, 2007 - 12:47 AM j0e_p3t how much do you really love your celi? if its wort... Apr 18, 2007 - 12:55 AM trdproven yeah, its mostly about having the pride of your ca... Apr 18, 2007 - 1:21 AM OrbitalGT95 QUOTE(tin_foil @ Apr 18, 2007 - 4:20... Apr 18, 2007 - 11:14 AM Bigmeanbulldog55 If you really think that FWD sucks, then you don... Apr 18, 2007 - 1:41 PM purplegt4 get a motorcycle. Apr 22, 2007 - 10:09 PM Jeremiah QUOTE(purplegt4 @ Apr 22, 2007 - 10... Apr 23, 2007 - 1:44 PM macavely well it seams like you know what you want. If the ... Apr 22, 2007 - 10:49 PM 99GT I've always had awd dsms for the longest time.... Apr 22, 2007 - 10:55 PM OrbitalGT95 I need to stay outa this thread before i get into ... Apr 24, 2007 - 11:13 AM Ratix240sx QUOTE(96bluevert @ Apr 24, 2007 - 10... Apr 24, 2007 - 11:50 AM tin_foil Wow...look at the argument I started.
Okay, fir... Apr 24, 2007 - 1:44 PM Bigmeanbulldog55 You can say whatever you want about how the cars l... Apr 24, 2007 - 2:21 PM 96bluevert QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Apr 24, 2007 - ... Apr 24, 2007 - 3:38 PM tin_foil QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Apr 24, 2007 - ... Apr 24, 2007 - 10:43 PM defgeph Nate, please try to relax. Apr 24, 2007 - 11:11 PM defgeph Without a doubt, RWD comes out on top. Followed by... Apr 24, 2007 - 11:22 PM jgreening QUOTE(defgeph @ Apr 24, 2007 - 11:22... Apr 25, 2007 - 8:19 PM Jeremiah QUOTE(jgreening @ Apr 25, 2007 - 8:1... Apr 26, 2007 - 11:11 PM macavely QUOTE(Jeremiah @ Apr 27, 2007 - 12:1... Apr 27, 2007 - 12:14 AM tin_foil Thanks defgeph. This was the sort of comments I wa... Apr 24, 2007 - 11:46 PM OrbitalGT95 when it all comes down to it...a pro driver would ... Apr 25, 2007 - 12:02 AM defgeph Thanks Tin!
I have gone back and forth many ... Apr 25, 2007 - 12:10 AM mikeismad0408 hmm, lets see, you take your 240 on paper and you ... Apr 25, 2007 - 12:56 AM Jeremiah QUOTE(tin_foil @ Apr 17, 2007 - 11:2... Apr 25, 2007 - 7:51 PM 95st-celica i saw we make a car with power to the front right ... Apr 25, 2007 - 8:26 PM defgeph Last dyno was at 245 whp. Its in no way to much. R... Apr 26, 2007 - 11:40 PM 97lestyousay Traction issues = weight issues
Lets go back a few... Apr 27, 2007 - 12:20 AM cjh4l22 no blame, i nearly bought a 95 240sx w/a modded ka... Apr 27, 2007 - 12:36 AM j0e_p3t QUOTE(macavely @ Apr 26, 2007 - 10:1... Apr 27, 2007 - 12:46 AM 97lestyousay I was somewhat vague in my previous statment.
Weig... Apr 27, 2007 - 8:11 AM Jeremiah I wonder if the heavier weight of our cars is actu... Apr 27, 2007 - 1:59 PM tomazws The only RWD car I've driven is my old 92... Apr 27, 2007 - 2:56 PM Jeremiah I re-read some of those articles...
Looks like th... Apr 27, 2007 - 5:04 PM lagos QUOTE(defgeph @ Apr 27, 2007 - 12:40... Apr 27, 2007 - 7:02 PM defgeph QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 27, 2007 - 8:02 PM... Apr 27, 2007 - 7:20 PM defgeph Two things I want to add here.
My handling charac... Apr 27, 2007 - 7:10 PM lagos post up a link to the vid! haha
i guess the ... Apr 27, 2007 - 7:37 PM defgeph QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 27, 2007 - 8:37 PM... Apr 27, 2007 - 8:51 PM |
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