Need help deciding if I should sell out...., How can you put up with FWD? Options

[tin_foil]

Lately I've been getting more and more into drag racing, horsepower, autox, drifting and upgrading cars in general. And sadly, my sexy little FWD GT celi just isn't cutting it. Now I'm in a decisional dilemma. For years I wanted a celica because I still think it's by far the nicest looking car of its class. When I first got my car, I had dreams of a 3s swap, and lots of exterior mods. But no matter what, racing a FWD car, no matter how much power at the crank it's got, just can't get that power to the ground well enough. I've played with the idea of an AWD conversion with the celi; I'm not at all daunted by the work, I just don't have 5 grand(+) to sink into it. For that price, I could get a 240sx shell, and drop in a RB26DETT. (that's the skyline engine for those of you that don't know) That would be an amazing car, and it would be crazy fun to drive.

Anyway, I know some of you will say stuff about how could I betray my kind. But I'm curious to hear what those of you that are really car racers and modders say? How can you put up with a celica, no matter how much power you've got under the hood? I love fantasizing about driving up to races with a kick-arse celica, half the people saying, "what's that?" and blow everyone away,(somewhat like tufy, ) but the money required to basically do a full gt4 conversion plus suspension upgrades and bolt-ons is just ridiculous... Should I just sell the black beauty and sink my money into something that can really perform amazing for cheap? Or maybe just save up for another year (maybe more), AWD convert the celica, and get a very good(with awesome handling, and looks), but not really that amazing of a performance car?

[lagos]

Last dyno was at 245 whp. Its in no way to much. Right now, I want more and more.

I think the magic number should be moved up to 350 whp in a FWD. Of course throttle control comes into play at these numbers. You can't expect to stomp on the gas and not brake loose.

Itchy should be hitting around that number right now. I'm still waiting to see the full tune & higher boost. But it looks very promising as of right now.

2x

im at 247hp 270tq at the wheels and i feel like i want MORE POWER. sure i can break the tires loose if i want to or get some torque steer... but a lot of that stuff is what makes the celica fun on the street. i remember watching the vid of jeff smoking tires through 1st and 2nd gear on a slightly wet road, and thinking, "HELL YEAH MAN", instead of saying "look at that terrible traction loss of the fwd paltform". now dont get me wrong, there does come a point where your making too much power for it to become useful, but like jeff said, i think thats somwhere around the 350+ range. your traction in the 200-300hp range can all be controlled by your right foot, a boost controller, and some good street tires.

now having said that, my next car will probably be awd. why? because i plan to go above that 350hp range.

[Defgeph]

i remember watching the vid of jeff smoking tires through 1st and 2nd gear on a slightly wet road, and thinking, "HELL YEAH MAN", instead of saying "look at that terrible traction loss of the fwd paltform".

That was second gear only playboy.

The blow off you hear in the video is throttle control, I never shifted. Until the end, when I took off. I was trying to keep the car from pulling away. That obviously didnt work.


I agree with your statements above

This post has been edited by defgeph: Apr 27, 2007 - 7:23 PM