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post Apr 26, 2007 - 1:14 AM
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Davesceli

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Im looking for a home defense shotgun and i've narrowed my choices down to a mossberg 590 and the remington 870...which one is the better gun???

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post Apr 28, 2007 - 2:31 AM
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Claiming that some groups are superior to others is often a narrow minded way to look at things, but there are acceptions to this idea.

For instance, if I claimed that white people are better than black people

-that is incorrect because so many black people have contributed to society and they cannot be labled as ignorant or uncaring towards general society

It is not narrow minded when the definition of the social group being refered to is based in part on ignorance. The term redneck refers to an inferior individual who, although patriotic, lacks understanding of other peoples viewpoints.


What have I done for my country?

I have lived here all of my life and I would gladly lay down my life for this country and its ideals. How dare you call my devotion into question? I have not gone to war for my country because I was too young for desert storm and I believe that the current war is not worth the death of any American.

What's going on in Iraq needs to be changed, but we are not the one's to solve everyones problems. I would gladly give my life for my fellow Americans, but not for Iraq.

You need to realize that not everyone agrees with the war in Iraq. Our country has spent billions of dollars with no resolve for a country that is not our own, billions of dollars that could have gone towards education and health care for our own people.

Next time you call someones devotion into question, call their devotion into question under circumstances that endanger the homeland. I can guarantee you that I will stand side by side any American in the event we are ever in danger.

Further more, if you read my arguements, I do not advocate outlawing guns at all. I simply do not belive that everyone should be granted the right to bear arms. Although it seems an oxi-moron(denying rights), the right to bear arms needs to be restricted(and is).


I'm not going to turn this into some kind of pissing contest to see who is the most patriotic, but being patriotic is represented on many levels.

My flag is flown high everyday it is appropriate and you have no right to call an American, such as myself, un-patriotic. Being patriotic is protecting American rights, and you should be patriotic for that reason and that reason alone, not to say "look at me, I've done more for my country than you have" Do it for the right reasons and I will be patriotic and, if necessary, die for the right reasons.

This post has been edited by jayi12-15psi: Apr 28, 2007 - 2:34 AM


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- Davesceli   To all gun owners...i know ur out there   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:14 AM
- - manphibian   No offence, but your country is f*cked up   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:23 AM
- - Rayme   Use your legs and run away!   Apr 26, 2007 - 9:27 AM
- - 95CelicaST   QUOTEUse your legs and run away! If someone b...   Apr 26, 2007 - 10:25 AM
- - Toyoca   if you cant even research a SHOTGUN youre about to...   Apr 26, 2007 - 10:32 AM
- - Davesceli   i just wanted to get the opinion of some of the gu...   Apr 26, 2007 - 11:01 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   for home defense birdshot would be nice large spr...   Apr 26, 2007 - 11:50 AM
- - lagos   wtf are you trying do defend against? if things in...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:02 PM
|- - DSToyo   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 26, 2007 - 1:02 PM...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:21 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   RE: To all gun owners...i know ur out there   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:07 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   QUOTE(DSToyo @ Apr 26, 2007 - 1:21 P...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:28 PM
- - 2slow2nervous   alright the remington 870 is great. I personally h...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:31 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   lol when more ppl get guns bad things happen??? Al...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:35 PM
- - DSToyo   i guess its all about your responcibility, but if ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:32 PM
- - DSToyo   ^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont yo...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:41 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   Well lets see if it came down to leaving responsib...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:42 PM
|- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(DSToyo @ Apr 26, 2007 - 12:41 ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:09 PM
|- - manphibian   QUOTE(Mynzeyes @ Apr 26, 2007 - 1:09...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:17 PM
|- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 1...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:23 PM
- - Jen   THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. SO CUT IT OUT. If you...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:46 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   QUOTE(Jen @ Apr 26, 2007 - 12:46 PM)...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:49 PM
- - ILuvMyCelica95   ^ Is it your thread? someone's craaaanky. I...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:48 PM
- - DSToyo   i too have only heard good things about remington....   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:55 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   QUOTE(Jen @ Apr 26, 2007 - 1:46 PM) ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 12:55 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   my beagel is great protection also lol... Victious...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:02 PM
- - 2slow2nervous   very nice...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:14 PM
- - FreddyTheOthaMeat   I got a kiddo so wife made me get rid of all the g...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:18 PM
- - BLINKYxMUNKEY   I have a Remington 1187 that I love shooting (most...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:28 PM
- - Negative   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 7...   Apr 26, 2007 - 1:29 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Negative @ Apr 26, 2007 - 6:29...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:18 PM
- - Kwanza26   white people...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:14 PM
- - Davesceli   QUOTE(2slow2nervous @ Apr 26, 2007 - 5...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:15 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   Nope their is nothing wrong with it at all. Infact...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:18 PM
|- - DSToyo   QUOTE(Davesceli @ Apr 26, 2007 - 3:1...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:47 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 26, 2007 - 3:14...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:17 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Davesceli @ Apr 26, 2007 - 3:1...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:21 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   how about we do it this way.. Find the statistics ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:27 PM
|- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 26, 2007 - 2:21 PM...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:34 PM
- - Davesceli   im not sure about those stats, my family has had g...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:29 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   QUOTE No offence, but your country is f*cked up fr...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:33 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Apr 26, 2007 ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:35 PM
||- - Mynzeyes   QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Apr 26, 2007 - 2:35...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:36 PM
|- - manphibian   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Apr 26, 2007 ...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:26 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 8...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:53 PM
|- - 2slow2nervous   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 3...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:53 PM
||- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(2slow2nervous @ Apr 26, 2007 - 8...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:56 PM
||- - Rayme   QUOTE(2slow2nervous @ Apr 26, 2007 - 4...   Apr 27, 2007 - 8:58 AM
|- - Negative   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 8...   Apr 26, 2007 - 4:08 PM
|- - Kwanza26   QUOTE(Negative @ Apr 26, 2007 - 9:08...   Apr 26, 2007 - 4:33 PM
- - spolski07   QUOTE(lagos @ Apr 26, 2007 - 2:21 PM...   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:41 PM
- - FlamingCelica   Remington for the win! ~FlamingCelica   Apr 26, 2007 - 2:58 PM
- - Negative   QUOTE(Davesceli @ Apr 26, 2007 - 7:2...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:00 PM
- - 95CelicaST   All this bickering makes me want to listen to some...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:18 PM
- - hitcachi   This is America! We love to go to our fast foo...   Apr 26, 2007 - 3:31 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   lol what happens when china attacks, or zombies st...   Apr 26, 2007 - 4:04 PM
- - manphibian   I'm not trying to say your country is wrong, o...   Apr 26, 2007 - 4:28 PM
|- - Negative   QUOTE(manphibian @ Apr 26, 2007 - 9...   Apr 26, 2007 - 4:30 PM
- - 97lestyousay   I skipped most of the pointless bickering and woul...   Apr 26, 2007 - 8:16 PM
- - FlamingCelica   Like my dad always taught me, its better to have i...   Apr 26, 2007 - 9:47 PM
- - m0dd3d1   Here's a little knowledge your way... Gun Sta...   Apr 27, 2007 - 11:33 AM
- - jayi12-15psi   QUOTEWhat an intelligent retort. I guess it was...   Apr 27, 2007 - 5:56 PM
- - Red94Celica   How about a .22 pistol instead of a shotgun   Apr 27, 2007 - 6:28 PM
- - j0e_p3t   yeah, or how about a taser instead? or a bow and a...   Apr 27, 2007 - 6:46 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   Although I am not some kind of hick, the gun is us...   Apr 27, 2007 - 6:49 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Apr 27, 2007 ...   Apr 27, 2007 - 9:07 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   I'm patriotic as well, but there's a line ...   Apr 27, 2007 - 10:08 PM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTE(jayi12-15psi @ Apr 27, 2007 ...   Apr 27, 2007 - 11:09 PM
- - slvr_celica_GT_816   get a bazooka   Apr 27, 2007 - 10:26 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   Claiming that some groups are superior to others i...   Apr 28, 2007 - 2:31 AM
|- - 97lestyousay   QUOTEand I like how you put the flag on after 9-11...   Apr 29, 2007 - 11:26 PM
- - giang723   Can everyone chillout please i myself have not us...   Apr 28, 2007 - 10:03 AM
- - Red94Celica   I'm pretty sure that this .22 pistol would int...   Apr 28, 2007 - 4:15 PM
|- - Shocker   22 pistils is great for beind gangster and talking...   Apr 29, 2007 - 10:47 PM
- - carb0n_f1b3r   QUOTE(ILuvMyCelica95 @ Apr 26, 2007 - 5...   Apr 29, 2007 - 9:23 PM
- - b1gr3d   WOW some people are a little too opinionated. i s...   Apr 29, 2007 - 11:02 PM
- - jayi12-15psi   waving your flag does not always equal devotion, i...   Apr 30, 2007 - 10:38 AM


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