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post Jul 29, 2007 - 9:54 PM
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Kerr1

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how many lbs of boost can a stock 5s head handle....im not worried abt. the internals just the actual head.
 
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post Aug 3, 2007 - 1:42 PM
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the stock compression ratio will limit you to 8-12psi depending on weather the turbo is on the bigger side of things or the smaller side of things ... (the bigger the turbo the higher you'll be able to boost before you run out of octane and detonate).

so now you say you'll just drop the CR... sure, it will cost you 400 for JE or SRP custom 5sfe pistons... so now you can run 15psi possibly but you are limited to 240hp @15psi @ 5200rpms no matter what turbo you use (the head just wont be able to outflow that much... )

if your goal is 300hp on a stock head with the lowered CR it will take about 20psi to do it by my math...

a head that flows 19% more (like a 3sgte head) can do 300hp @ 15psi @ 6200 rpms

as for the water injection for the normally aspirated car... more timing isn't always more power... you already obviously have too much timing in it... if you add WI and you add even more timing you will lose your rod bearings from the added timing...

See at idle your oil pressure is low because hte rpm's are low... too much timing advance will mean that power is delivered and pounded down on your pistons/rods earlier than it should be (which is how you end up with detonation) ...

adding base timing is not the same as adding timing up top via an EMS or adding boost at higher rpms with the help of water injection...as when the rpms are up, the oil pressure is higher so there's less possibility for bearing failure...

... i wrote too much


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2005 MB C200 Kompressor- K&N, Apexi WS2 Catback, DIY Voltage stabilizer, Intrax Springs, H&R RR swaybar, VDO Boost Gauge @ 6psi, Greddy L7 plugs, +0 Rear tires
To Do: E-manage Ultimate tuned up to 12psi

Posts in this topic
- Kerr1   how many lbs of boost   Jul 29, 2007 - 9:54 PM
- - lagos   c. this question is impossible to answer   Jul 29, 2007 - 10:40 PM
- - Gary   200 psi Seriously, You might outflow the F head...   Jul 30, 2007 - 9:00 AM
- - Kerr1   i thought u could crack the head w/ too much boost...   Jul 30, 2007 - 10:08 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   to many unkown factors to answer that question acc...   Jul 30, 2007 - 10:21 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   why do you ask ? how much power do you want to ma...   Jul 31, 2007 - 5:13 PM
- - Kerr1   o...well do u think stock pistons can handle 15psi...   Aug 1, 2007 - 7:13 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 1, 2007 - 8:13 PM)...   Aug 1, 2007 - 10:10 PM
|- - king_wsk   QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 1, 2007 - 10:10 PM...   Aug 2, 2007 - 5:20 AM
|- - cjh4l22   QUOTE(king_wsk @ Aug 2, 2007 - 5:20 ...   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:53 AM
- - Kerr1   so low compression pistons wouldnt b a bad way to ...   Aug 2, 2007 - 6:24 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   Low compression would be a good start if you wante...   Aug 2, 2007 - 7:01 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(king_wsk @ Aug 2, 2007 - 6:20 ...   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:17 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 2, 2007 - 7:24 AM)...   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:22 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   for WI on an NA im pretty sure they use an rpm ...   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:41 AM
- - lagos   cali only gets 91. still, if your pinging on 91, ...   Aug 2, 2007 - 11:57 AM
- - Kerr1   for the 3sgte swap its like 4000 and thats if u do...   Aug 2, 2007 - 4:36 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 2, 2007 - 5:36 PM)...   Aug 3, 2007 - 5:28 AM
|- - Kerr1   QUOTE(presure2 @ Aug 3, 2007 - 10:28...   Aug 3, 2007 - 6:29 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 3, 2007 - 7:29 AM)...   Aug 3, 2007 - 11:53 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 2, 2007 - 5:36 PM)...   Aug 2, 2007 - 8:30 PM
|- - Kerr1   QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 3, 2007 - 1:30 AM)...   Aug 2, 2007 - 9:39 PM
- - lagos   you do realize that most 3s swaps are not awd, rig...   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:36 PM
- - Kerr1   yea...i know....but if i did it thats how it would...   Aug 3, 2007 - 6:25 AM
- - quantumspec1   I'm going to have to agree with just snagging ...   Aug 3, 2007 - 7:26 AM
- - lagos   whats your horsepower goal for the car?   Aug 3, 2007 - 10:36 AM
- - lagos   troof ^   Aug 3, 2007 - 11:59 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   the stock compression ratio will limit you to 8-12...   Aug 3, 2007 - 1:42 PM
- - Kerr1   im plannin on doin head wrk to the new 1 im buying...   Aug 4, 2007 - 12:29 AM
- - Kerr1   the mr2t pistons wont fit if i bore it .020? i thi...   Aug 4, 2007 - 12:38 AM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 4, 2007 - 1:29 AM)...   Aug 4, 2007 - 2:02 AM
- - NuclearHappineS   the 5sfe is the overbored version of the S block.....   Aug 4, 2007 - 7:24 AM
- - blckcelica95   Kerr1 i did the exact same thing that you are pl...   Aug 4, 2007 - 8:47 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(blckcelica95 @ Aug 4, 2007 - 9...   Aug 4, 2007 - 9:16 AM
|- - Kerr1   QUOTE(presure2 @ Aug 4, 2007 - 2:16 ...   Aug 4, 2007 - 10:40 AM
|- - Gary   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 4, 2007 - 11:40 AM...   Aug 4, 2007 - 12:12 PM
- - Kerr1   yea...i guess that would b pretty kewl...i think i...   Aug 4, 2007 - 1:16 PM
- - lagos   QUOTE(Kerr1 @ Aug 4, 2007 - 2:16 PM)...   Aug 4, 2007 - 2:15 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   My take on things... Build the following : 5sfe ...   Aug 4, 2007 - 3:25 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   I guess what I'm trying to say... imho the mos...   Aug 4, 2007 - 3:38 PM
- - Kerr1   yea...but im not spendin that much...lol....this i...   Aug 4, 2007 - 4:04 PM
- - NuclearHappineS   Some portwork numbers to give you an idea... this ...   Aug 5, 2007 - 8:37 AM
- - Kerr1   sweet info....thanx a lot nuke.   Aug 5, 2007 - 12:26 PM


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