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post Aug 24, 2007 - 9:23 AM
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Ok. I've looked over this site and either it's not listed or I don't know how to find the information. I've got a master mechanic that just built my brothers 90 eagle talon tsi AWD that's pushing 710 hp. This thing is scary fast. That's beside the point.

He's very good. Works on Supras, Nissan Zs, Lotus elise, cobra shelby, Acura RSX-S, etc... Mostly turbo, but quite a bit of NA too. This guy is good and his shop is amazing!

This mechanic has looked over my car and has estimated a price to build up my 5sfe NA.

approximately 250 on the crank. Definitely not 250 whp. I don't even think that is do-able with this motor.

First mods I will need are breathing mods , IHE god quality stuff (e-bay parts wont do it ) problem is though all the good quality things are going to be hard to source as the car is 11 years old and some stuff has been discontinued .

Next is porting and polishing the head and getting some oversized valves and shaving it to bump the compression . But none of this is much good if I cant find a more aggressive cam to make use of the extra flow .

So these are my starting points.

I have a guy who'll do the god quality header for me. $600 all custom

Now here's the BIG QUESTION - Where do I find stage 1 cams for this motor? They MUST be god quality to handle what he's going to do. Do I have to go custom? If so who can do them?

He'll do all the head work . Ballpark for headwork with new valves , springs , retainers, cut seats most likely replace the guides and port, polish and shave is about $2000 ( that does not include removal or installation ).

I don't want turbo. I know turbo makes a hell of a lot more sense, but then it wouldn't be an 5sfe.

Any help is appreciated!
 
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post Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM
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You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.



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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Aug 24, 2007 - 9:43 AM
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Truth is. I've been researching this for quite some time. Most of the parts will have to be custom. The problem is getting the right cams I need. If I can't get those then it's pretty much a no go anyway. That's really the last item on the list. Hopefully some one here has an idea about where I can find them. I did find a set in a japanese site 2 months ago, but when I look further into it. They proved to be junk!

QUOTE(jgreening @ Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM) [snapback]590386[/snapback]

You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.

post Aug 25, 2007 - 9:20 AM
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Man the only place ive found performance for our engines is www.gude.com check them out website does not have much but give them a call and ask for celica 2.2 l the number is 1-951-245-7577 the cams run about $295 exchange with u sending them ur cam $350 w out exchange whole package sales $1450 ask for Phil and they have a package for 1.8s as well.

QUOTE(lipweb @ Aug 24, 2007 - 2:43 PM) [snapback]590388[/snapback]

Truth is. I've been researching this for quite some time. Most of the parts will have to be custom. The problem is getting the right cams I need. If I can't get those then it's pretty much a no go anyway. That's really the last item on the list. Hopefully some one here has an idea about where I can find them. I did find a set in a japanese site 2 months ago, but when I look further into it. They proved to be junk!

QUOTE(jgreening @ Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM) [snapback]590386[/snapback]

You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.




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post Aug 25, 2007 - 9:45 AM
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QUOTE(REDDRAGONCELI @ Aug 25, 2007 - 9:20 AM) [snapback]590625[/snapback]

Man the only place ive found performance for our engines is www.gude.com check them out website does not have much but give them a call and ask for celica 2.2 l the number is 1-951-245-7577 the cams run about $295 exchange with u sending them ur cam $350 w out exchange whole package sales $1450 ask for Phil and they have a package for 1.8s as well.

QUOTE(lipweb @ Aug 24, 2007 - 2:43 PM) [snapback]590388[/snapback]

Truth is. I've been researching this for quite some time. Most of the parts will have to be custom. The problem is getting the right cams I need. If I can't get those then it's pretty much a no go anyway. That's really the last item on the list. Hopefully some one here has an idea about where I can find them. I did find a set in a japanese site 2 months ago, but when I look further into it. They proved to be junk!

QUOTE(jgreening @ Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM) [snapback]590386[/snapback]

You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.




I didn't see anything in there about the 5sfe. Can you point me to the part of the website you are talking about?


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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]

i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
post Aug 25, 2007 - 10:31 AM
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I told u to call them their website is hard to navigat call the number they are in florida i know they have it caus those prices came from the guy i talked to ask for phil and tell him u are from 6g.net
QUOTE(jgreening @ Aug 25, 2007 - 2:45 PM) [snapback]590631[/snapback]

QUOTE(REDDRAGONCELI @ Aug 25, 2007 - 9:20 AM) [snapback]590625[/snapback]

Man the only place ive found performance for our engines is www.gude.com check them out website does not have much but give them a call and ask for celica 2.2 l the number is 1-951-245-7577 the cams run about $295 exchange with u sending them ur cam $350 w out exchange whole package sales $1450 ask for Phil and they have a package for 1.8s as well.

QUOTE(lipweb @ Aug 24, 2007 - 2:43 PM) [snapback]590388[/snapback]

Truth is. I've been researching this for quite some time. Most of the parts will have to be custom. The problem is getting the right cams I need. If I can't get those then it's pretty much a no go anyway. That's really the last item on the list. Hopefully some one here has an idea about where I can find them. I did find a set in a japanese site 2 months ago, but when I look further into it. They proved to be junk!

QUOTE(jgreening @ Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM) [snapback]590386[/snapback]

You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.




I didn't see anything in there about the 5sfe. Can you point me to the part of the website you are talking about?



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Posts in this topic
- lipweb   250 at the crank of a 5sfe - cams needed???   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:23 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   please swap the engine out and build up a better p...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:30 AM
|- - lipweb   Understood. But how many people have done this mo...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM
- - jgreening   You are asking questions regarding largely unchart...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:35 AM
|- - lipweb   Truth is. I've been researching this for quit...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:43 AM
|- - REDDRAGONCELI   Man the only place ive found performance for our e...   Aug 25, 2007 - 9:20 AM
|- - jgreening   QUOTE(REDDRAGONCELI @ Aug 25, 2007 - 9...   Aug 25, 2007 - 9:45 AM
|- - REDDRAGONCELI   I told u to call them their website is hard to nav...   Aug 25, 2007 - 10:31 AM
- - x_itchy_b_x   Webcams can regrind you stock cams. http://www.imp...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:42 AM
|- - lipweb   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Aug 24, 2007 - 9...   Aug 24, 2007 - 9:54 AM
- - devilsden97   Not to kill your enthusiasm, but like J and itchy ...   Aug 24, 2007 - 11:47 AM
- - lagos   its not totally uncharted. its been done before by...   Aug 24, 2007 - 12:35 PM
|- - lipweb   QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 24, 2007 - 12:35 P...   Aug 24, 2007 - 12:56 PM
- - eggman40   It seems your pretty set on building an NA motor, ...   Aug 24, 2007 - 1:07 PM
- - lagos   try to look up JohnL on celicatech. he doesn...   Aug 24, 2007 - 1:07 PM
|- - lipweb   QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 24, 2007 - 1:07 PM...   Aug 24, 2007 - 1:22 PM
- - lagos   honestly... dont put 5 grand into an NA 5sfe. it w...   Aug 24, 2007 - 1:27 PM
|- - lipweb   QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 24, 2007 - 1:27 PM...   Aug 24, 2007 - 2:04 PM
- - x_itchy_b_x   Yeah, didnt mean to sound harsh if i did. theres j...   Aug 24, 2007 - 2:20 PM
|- - lipweb   QUOTE(x_itchy_b_x @ Aug 24, 2007 - 2...   Aug 24, 2007 - 2:37 PM
- - goferris   BEAMS 3sge FTW!!! I would really like ...   Aug 24, 2007 - 5:51 PM
|- - presure2   QUOTE(goferris @ Aug 24, 2007 - 6:51...   Aug 25, 2007 - 7:08 AM
- - bindertch   If you want to spend 5 grand on a NA motor there i...   Aug 26, 2007 - 3:29 PM


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