2zz swap? Options

[yaj204]

has anyone done or think about doing a 2zz-ge swap to a 99 celica gt? i was looking at my brothers corolla xrs's motor mounts and both the motor mounts seems to be simular.. i think it can be done but will it pass smog and emission test?

[Team_yoda]

if your gonna do a swap in a 6th gen celi then go for the 3s-gte. My brother has a celica gt-s with the 2zz 6sp. Its a great motor but there is no torque. Also that motor is very easy to blow because of the close ratio trans. Lift does kicks ass ill admit. But the motor in general sux unless you start from scratch. Its an all aluminum block with either cast iron or steel insert sleves. so you cant bore it hone it or anything. Stock you can only run 6-7lbs boost cuz it has 11.5:1 compression ratio. The 3s-gte it an amazing swap. You can run stock turbo to 17lbs on rev 3&4 motors. & if you really wanna kill civics do an AWD swap. thats what ima do to mine.

[Kwanza26]

if your gonna do a swap in a 6th gen celi then go for the 3s-gte. My brother has a celica gt-s with the 2zz 6sp. Its a great motor but there is no torque. Also that motor is very easy to blow because of the close ratio trans. Lift does kicks ass ill admit. But the motor in general sux unless you start from scratch. Its an all aluminum block with either cast iron or steel insert sleves. so you cant bore it hone it or anything. Stock you can only run 6-7lbs boost cuz it has 11.5:1 compression ratio. The 3s-gte it an amazing swap. You can run stock turbo to 17lbs on rev 3&4 motors. & if you really wanna kill civics do an AWD swap. thats what ima do to mine.

Anyone who argues "torque" and drives anything with less than 200 ft lbs of torque... doesn't know jack about torque. Torque and horsepower are just two ways of representing the same thing... work rate. You can have all of the torque in the world but if it has a low work rate (horsepower)... it's not gonna be fast. it can sure tow a lot though. Know the difference before you start saying "blah blah blah... no torque". If anything, the 2ZZ being an open deck alluminum block, you can re-sleeve and bore the motor out significantly more than you can a closed deck iron block (such as an S or A series block). Also... you cannot blame the motor for blowing up because of a sh!tty driver mis-shifting at 8000 rpms. That will pretty much blow up any motor...

Anyway... the reason Toyota people don't like the motor is because it works like a Honda VTEC motor. Most Toyota tuners are just biased and preach "torque" this and "torque" that... but fail to realize Horsepower is what wins the race. Why? Gearing. Torque doesn't take as much advantage of gearing in a accelerating situation as horsepower. Everything works together. Granted the 2ZZ is more limited in terms of tuning due to the motor being smaller and already highly tuned from the factory, but that in no way makes it better/worst than any comparable motor.

[yaj204]

if your gonna do a swap in a 6th gen celi then go for the 3s-gte. My brother has a celica gt-s with the 2zz 6sp. Its a great motor but there is no torque. Also that motor is very easy to blow because of the close ratio trans. Lift does kicks ass ill admit. But the motor in general sux unless you start from scratch. Its an all aluminum block with either cast iron or steel insert sleves. so you cant bore it hone it or anything. Stock you can only run 6-7lbs boost cuz it has 11.5:1 compression ratio. The 3s-gte it an amazing swap. You can run stock turbo to 17lbs on rev 3&4 motors. & if you really wanna kill civics do an AWD swap. thats what ima do to mine.

Anyone who argues "torque" and drives anything with less than 200 ft lbs of torque... doesn't know jack about torque. Torque and horsepower are just two ways of representing the same thing... work rate. You can have all of the torque in the world but if it has a low work rate (horsepower)... it's not gonna be fast. it can sure tow a lot though. Know the difference before you start saying "blah blah blah... no torque". If anything, the 2ZZ being an open deck alluminum block, you can re-sleeve and bore the motor out significantly more than you can a closed deck iron block (such as an S or A series block). Also... you cannot blame the motor for blowing up because of a sh!tty driver mis-shifting at 8000 rpms. That will pretty much blow up any motor...

Anyway... the reason Toyota people don't like the motor is because it works like a Honda VTEC motor. Most Toyota tuners are just biased and preach "torque" this and "torque" that... but fail to realize Horsepower is what wins the race. Why? Gearing. Torque doesn't take as much advantage of gearing in a accelerating situation as horsepower. Everything works together. Granted the 2ZZ is more limited in terms of tuning due to the motor being smaller and already highly tuned from the factory, but that in no way makes it better/worst than any comparable motor.

i agree!!