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Jun 28, 2008 - 9:21 PM
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How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns? Got any statistics on that? ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america So, most crimes are committed with illegal guns? Not really a surprise, which makes me wonder why those of us that have LEGAL guns receive so much flak... In addition to that, going by the statistics you provided the problem isn't the gun laws, it's lack of reinforcement. Why then are you [collective] pushing for new laws and not pushing for enforcement of the current ones? Here's some more statistics about kids and guns. From http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Information...Item.asp?ID=563 "The study was conducted from 1993-1995 by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. Child psychologists tracked 4,000 boys and girls aged 6 to 15 in Denver, Pittsburgh, and Rochester, N.Y. Their findings? -- Children who get guns from their parents don't commit gun crimes (0 percent) while children who get guns illegally are quite likely to do so (21 percent). -- Children who get guns from parents are less likely to commit any kind of street crime (14 percent) than children who have no gun in the house (24 percent) -- and are dramatically less likely to do so than children who acquire an illegal gun (74 percent.) "Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars. So, the fact that criminals prefer illegal guns means nothing."I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive. So by that logic, no one should own cars because some people are too dangerous to drive, no one can serve in the military or police because some aren't fit, no one can be a teacher because some aren't fit, etc, etc. Alcohol impairs your control and judgment, period. Some more than others, but anyone that consumes alcohol is effected. Anyone that owns a gun isn't guaranteed to attempt to use it in a crime. The majority of gun owners never will. Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing. So, if I pull a .45 on a burglar breaking into my house [we don't know why, could be to steal my things, to rape my wife/daughter, to kill me, intentionally or not], that's not going to stop him?And if he has a gun, what's to say he didn't intend to use it in the first place? If I get the drop on him, he doesn't have much chance to use it. Sounds a lot like prevention to me. And, since when is self defense "wrong doing"? In case you hadn't noticed, no one is advocating armed vigilante groups that hunt down "bad guys". No one is advocating we hunt down someone that committed a crime against us and shoot them. We are SPECIFICALLY talking about preventing harm to us and our families. How exactly is that "wrong doing"? hand guns are not solutions for accidents or crime. Got it? again, 2 wrongs don't make it right. Again, see my last reply.-------------------- ![]() |
alltracman78 Supreme Court Finally Stands Up For Gun Owners Jun 26, 2008 - 8:25 PM
supershannon77 Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..... Jun 26, 2008 - 8:34 PM
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Jeunesse QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:46 AM
alltracman78 QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 27, 2008 - 10... Jun 27, 2008 - 11:07 AM
FreddyTheOthaMeat im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:47 AM
x_itchy_b_x a gun less society is defenseless against foreign ... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:54 AM
Jeunesse yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peacef... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:58 AM
DEATH QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 11... Jun 27, 2008 - 11:34 AM
Legit94GT QUOTE it's a USA thing - don't get involve... Jun 27, 2008 - 12:08 PM
Jeunesse polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn... Jun 27, 2008 - 12:12 PM
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Legit94GT QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:3... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:53 PM
purplegt4 QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 12... Jun 30, 2008 - 5:46 PM
alltracman78 How many of those crimes are committed with illega... Jun 27, 2008 - 1:33 PM
DEATH Jeunesse:
Because this entire world is completely ... Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 PM
D-Man QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:37 P... Jun 27, 2008 - 4:30 PM
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jcaron9gt4 QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 27, 2008 - 2:5... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:09 PM
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FreddyTheOthaMeat geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invent... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:17 PM
Jeunesse QUOTE (FreddyTheOthaMeat @ Jun 27, 2008 ... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:25 PM
DEATH There is no solution. One of these days people are... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:31 PM
DEATH He was being calm - as were we all. Please don... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:50 PM
Sh0gunkid8721 QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 27, 2008 - 1:50 P... Jun 27, 2008 - 2:54 PM
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GriffGirl Wow, I'm shocked that this thread has become a... Jun 27, 2008 - 4:15 PM
Havok1997GT QUOTE (GriffGirl @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4... Jun 27, 2008 - 5:57 PM
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DEATH Well said.
Damn no I find myself speechless Jun 27, 2008 - 4:24 PM
laff09 I'd like to chime in on this topic.
The reaso... Jun 27, 2008 - 6:17 PM
GriffGirl QUOTE (laff09 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 4:17 ... Jun 27, 2008 - 7:07 PM
GriffGirl I just have to throw this in real quick and then I... Jun 27, 2008 - 7:11 PM
Legit94GT Back to the main topic. The SC ruled in favor of g... Jun 27, 2008 - 10:25 PM
Havok1997GT I dont see an argument forming here, its just a e... Jun 27, 2008 - 11:20 PM
Jeunesse clap clap clap I would like to commend everybody t... Jun 28, 2008 - 8:14 AM
Legit94GT QUOTE (Jeunesse @ Jun 28, 2008 - 9:1... Jun 28, 2008 - 7:28 PM
Havok1997GT guns can keep you from getting killed if your a be... Jun 28, 2008 - 1:32 PM
alltracman78 QUOTE (Sh0gunkid8721 @ Jun 27, 2008 - 3... Jun 28, 2008 - 9:29 PM
supershannon77 again Jeremy it scares me that you own a gun...nah... Jun 28, 2008 - 10:07 PM
Legit94GT QUOTE (supershannon77 @ Jun 28, 2008 - 1... Jun 28, 2008 - 11:29 PM
Celiracer18 honestly i think one of the greatest ways to help ... Jun 29, 2008 - 1:29 AM
manphibian Coming from a country where virtually nobody has a... Jun 29, 2008 - 5:09 AM
supershannon77 QUOTE (Legit94GT @ Jun 29, 2008 - 12... Jun 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM
manphibian ^^^ That however is just ludicrous!
How can a... Jun 30, 2008 - 5:08 PM
DEATH Sorry - but I agree with it. If you're a big e... Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 PM
Havok1997GT QUOTE (DEATH @ Jun 30, 2008 - 5:14 P... Jul 1, 2008 - 4:15 PM
97Celica Guns were originally created to hunt for basic sur... Jun 30, 2008 - 6:26 PM![]() ![]() |
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