5s-fe 3s-ge head? Options

[myloth]

The 5s-fe and the 3s-ge,3s-gte are the same motor with different heads no?

Then why is everybody so juiced to swap in the 3s-gte?When couldnt use a 3s-ge head from late 90s on a 5s-fe and get about 200bhp without a turbo?

Or am i missing something?

I'm basing this on a 2.0l 3s-ge from late 90s having about 175hp and putting that head onto the stroker 2.2l block seems to make sense?

People talk like the 5s-fe is a different engine when its just a different head and longer throw crank?


Or could even a 3sgte head work without the turbo?

[reko]

No its not the same motor, its the same serie, the S serie, juste like the JZ serie

3s-ge:
Capacity: 1998 cc (121.9 ci)
Bore x Stroke: 86 x 86 mm (3.39 x 3.39 in)
Intake Valve Diameter: 33.5 mm (1.32 in)
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 29.0 mm (1.14 in)
Included Valve Angle: 44.5 degrees

5s-fe:
Capacity: 2162 cc
Bore: 3.43 in (87,12mm)
Stroke: 3.58 in (90,93mm)
Compression ratio: 9.5:1

Different bore and stroke... can be adjust but need work... also the head doesnt fit exactly at 100% it needs custom work. All the trouble to make that possible would cost you more for less than a 3s-gte

5S-FE
This engine was essentially the same basic design as the 3S-FE, but featured an increased stroke, and the total displacement was increased to 2.2 L. It was only marketed for the American and Australian markets, and are used in the 5th and 6th generation Celica, the 2nd generation MR2, the 3rd and 4th generation Camry, as well as the 1st generation Camry Solara.

3S-FE
The Toyota 3S-FE is a 16 valve 2.0L twin camshaft, single cam gear engine built by Toyota from 1986 to 2000. Its common use is in the Toyota Camry 1987-1992 model, the Toyota Celica 1986-1989, Toyota Carina II 1987-1992 and E 1993-1998 models, Toyota Corona T190 as well as Toyota Avensis 1997-2000 models and Toyota RAV4, 1994-2000 and Toyota Picnic/Ipsum 1996-2002. It also powers the 6th generation Toyota Celica SS-I and SS-2(Japanese Domestic Market only).

3S-GE
Modified Toyota 3S-GEThe engine used in the Toyota Celica GT-S versions, from 1986 to 1989 in the US and 1986 to 1999 everywhere else, after which they switched to the 5sfe in the US and then the Toyota ZZ engine.

3S-GE BEAMS
The fourth generation of the Toyota 3S-GE series, dubbed by Toyota as "Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System". This series is technically advanced, even more so than the 2JZ-GTE. The first generation engine (Red Top) uses single cam VVT-i, the second (Black Top) employs dual VVT-i (on both the intake and exhaust) to provide 150 kW. It is available on the Toyota Altezza, Celica, Corona and MR2 and is the only 3S-GE to arrive in a rear-wheel drive layout from factory.

This post has been edited by reko: Aug 27, 2008 - 1:36 PM