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when I used to be into RSX's before, I remember coming across a media thread that had a video with clutchless shifting
out of nowhere, I asked my friend about clutchless shifting.. he told me, it kinda takes practice and its less wear-out for your clutch and stuff.. now that Ive heard the positive things about it, I was wondering if there were bad things about it... if theres like 2 things that are bad about clutchless shifting, then I wont trip about it.. but if it comes to more than 3+up then Ima have to break the habit of it.. so 6gc fam, what would it be?? YE -or- NAY on clutchless shifting (I'd rather not base this on polls because I like my information straight to the facts) -------------------- |
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When I drive a manual I never use the clutch (except for getting going in first gear of course). I do it without even thinking now. When done properly it does not wear the clutch or the synchros in the tranny at all, but you have to perfectly match every shift. The part people forget is the rev-matching, they try to just shift across from one gear to the other without pausing in-between and rev-matching. I once wrote a guide on how to do this but I will tell you right now that it's hard to explain, you kind of need to see it done. So, if you're going to try this, it's at your own risk.
![]() For the vast majority of drivers out there, just using the clutch is the way to go. This is only for car people that are into this sort of thing... or for people driving a car with a bad clutch or bad synchros LOL (prodigy515, any comment?) Sorry for the spacing, this was copied/pasted from an email that I wrote. How to shift without using the clutch. This is perfectly safe for your car (in fact better than using the clutch) IF it's done properly. It takes a little bit of practice, but the important thing to remember is that it should be very smooth, if you are using a lot of force to try to shift then you're doing it wrong. First of all, you HAVE to use the clutch to get going in first gear, no way around it (try to avoid coming to a complete stop). Once you are moving in first gear, you take the tranmission OUT of gear by first getting the engine "neutral". That means that you are neither accelerating (on the gas) or decelerating (totally off the gas). This normally requires giving a little bit of gas since coming off the gas completely usually puts a reverse load on the transmission (engine braking). Once you are "neutral", you should be able to pull the transmission out of gear without touching the clutch at all. It should move smoothly with no pops, clunks or grinds. Once you're out of gear, you either need to upshift or downshift. Either way, you must make the RPMs of the engine be whatever they WILL be when you shift. For example when upshifting, you are driving in 1st gear and you are at about 3500 rpm. You pull the transmission out of gear as described in the first step. You let off the gas and allow the RPMs to drop to about, say 2500 rpm, and then you immediately slip the transmission into 2nd gear without touching the clutch. It should go in smoothly with no pops or grinds, if you are putting a lot of force into it, stop, because you're not at the right RPM. Don't be too concerned about watching the tach and figuring out EXACTLY what RPM you need to be at, just do it by feel and it will come naturally after a couple times. If you miss the shift window (the tach drops down to idle speed), then you can simply tap the gas to bring the RPMs back up to where you need them, and then shift into the gear you want. Downshifting is a little more tricky. You start the same way by getting the engine neutral and pulling the transmission out of gear. Now since you're downshifting, the RPMs need to be HIGHER than when you pulled it out of gear. So pull it out of gear, and then rev the engine up to about where it needs to be, and then slide the transmission into gear. For example, you're driving along in 3rd gear at 2000 rpm and you need to downshift. Pull the transmission out of gear, rev the engine up to say, 3500 rpm (without touching the clutch at all), and stick it into 2nd gear. Again, don't worry about the math so much as the feel of it. Again, if it isn't going in and you miss the shift window, just rev it up again to where it needs to be and shift it in. When you're slowing down for a light or stop sign, it may be easier to just pull the transmission into neutral and leave it there rather than downshift every gear. Also, if you can shift back down to first gear, try to keep rolling instead of coming to a complete stop to avoid having to use the clutch (just don't get caught) ![]() If you get good at shifting without the clutch, you will soon find that you don't want to use the clutch anymore even when it is working properly. Personally, I never use the clutch after first gear when I drive stick, I'm so used to it that I don't even think about it. It sure freaks people out when I drive their cars though! -Doc This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Dec 3, 2008 - 9:17 AM -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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