3SGE Beams VS 4AGE Blacktop 6SPD Options

[JoKeRkId613]

I will be getting a redtop Beams 3SGE in my Celica around mid-May. But I'm curious as to which engine really is better. I mean, if the ST205 was the exact same engine except no turbo, how much HP would it put out approximately, compared to the already NA Beams. I think Beams puts out 200HP(please correct me, if wrong...)? Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm trying to figrue out is if you stuck some low-comp pistons in the Beams and some other minor mods and the same CT26 or CT20 turbo, would it have more horses and be more powerful than the factory ST205?

Also, I'm real stuck between the Beams and 4AGE blacktop 6 speed. What would you guys choose? and why? Price isn't an issue and both engines will be left stock, maybe minor mods(Intake, Headers, Exhaust)...

Some advantages I see with the blacktop is that since my car is a coupe, I already have a tiny bit of weight advantage over a hatchback and the blacktop being a 1.6L will keep me at lower weight and it has 6speeds.

[Rusty]

just want to add my 2c's in here

MIVEC (Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system)

Can you believe that its been 16 years since the 4G63 first roared to life? But the legendary 2 L turbo with its throaty snarl and linear power curve has been replaced by the 4B11. Just like the 4G63 the 4B11 is a 2 L turbocharged and intercooled weapon. In fact, the architecture of the two motors is pretty much the same. However, the 4B11 T/C has 217kw and produced more torque that the 4G63 at all engine speeds, peaking at 366nm at 3500 rpm.

The 4B11 is also 12kg lighter, thanks mainly to a cast aluminium block. The 4G63 used cast iron. During the casting processes, Mitsubishi has also been able to reinforce the block to make it stronger. Inside is all business. A cross-drilled steel crank rotates in 4 bolt main bearing caps, and forged rods all help prepare the motor for buckets of boost. The high strength gravity cast aluminium pistons are now fully floating compared to the semi floating in the 4G63. To reduce friction loss and increase reliability compression is now up from 8.8 to 9.0.

The new aluminium head is also a different kettle of fish. It uses a direct acting valve train to replace the roller rocker configuration which further reduces weight because there are fewer moving parts. And if thats not enought the MIVEC consistently variable valve timing system now works on the exhaust ports as well as the intake ports. This means more power, higher fuel efficiency and lower emissions.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Feb 6, 2009 - 10:26 PM