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post Feb 15, 2009 - 8:17 PM
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Of course I will be boosting this so technically it will be a 5sgte. But I was wondering what the pros and cons are with the 1st gen 3sge head? I like the intake manifold on the 3sge but I doubt it will flow as good as the 3sgte manifold.

I have access to dirt cheap 3sge heads and it would be an awesome project.


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post Feb 24, 2009 - 8:15 AM
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i havnt checked for sure but i cant see the dizzy's being too much diff electricly. check it out, if you need to run the 3sge dizzy.

are you using a 3sge head or 3sgte? use the gen1 3sge inlet mani if you have one.
ezhaust doesnt matter a fnck as long as its not restrictive.

i know gen1 3sge and gen2 3sgte both use a 55mm throttle body so use that, i reckon the 5s-fe will be 50mm but im not 100%.

here is a little bit my mate put in his thread about what you need to grind out of the head so the water jackets line up, and get the 5s-fe metal head gasket, make sure the block and head are micky mouse (ie resurfaced)

keep in mind the 5s-fe ecu wont be able to control the TVIS, get some sort of jacar rev switch to control it, should only cost you $30 or so....or get an aftermarket ecu.

"the spots in red are the only bits that a required to be ground out'
well anyway all is coming together quite well till i put the belt on rotated the crank realising that the cam wheels where then offset once returned not membering to change also the crank pulley aswell because 5s ones are bigger and also have one more tooth than the 3sge pully, alos i needed the 5sfe head gasket as well to account for the new carvings i have created but it is all very simple really just need to use most of the ge stuff when changing it all over, any more questions i am happy to answer if everything goes well"

another interesting bit from his thread.
"i used everthing that was external from the 3sge including the head, intake gear, exhaust mani, timing belt, harmonic balancer, crank pully, if there is anything else i will try and member but thats all im pretty sure i changed over."

keep in mind this was puttin a 5s block onto a gen1 3sge in a 4th gen (so the 3sge was the factory engine)



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- bccentaur3   What do you guys think, 1st gen 3sge head on a 5sfe?   Feb 15, 2009 - 8:17 PM
- - RavenAegis45   hmm well it might flow better than it's 3S-GTE...   Feb 15, 2009 - 11:04 PM
- - bccentaur3   Actually i might opt and get a 3rd gen 3sge head o...   Feb 15, 2009 - 11:48 PM
|- - RavenAegis45   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ Feb 15, 2009 - 11...   Feb 16, 2009 - 12:23 AM
- - trdproven   Hardtarget i think has a 5sgte and his car is a mo...   Feb 16, 2009 - 6:47 AM
- - delusionz   Would love to see what a 5S-GE does NA.... 3S-GE ...   Feb 16, 2009 - 8:05 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   well worry no more. a mate of mine has done it be...   Feb 16, 2009 - 8:23 AM
- - trdproven   3s and 5s puts best of both worlds.   Feb 16, 2009 - 9:49 AM
- - bccentaur3   Cuts, so your buddy ran the stock 3sfe ecu with a ...   Feb 16, 2009 - 1:06 PM
- - bdawgbp1   Someone please let me know as I am getting ready t...   Feb 23, 2009 - 3:56 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   no he used the stock 3s-ge ecu running the 5s-ge c...   Feb 23, 2009 - 3:29 PM
- - bdawgbp1   So are you saying I can use my stock 5S-FE ECU, in...   Feb 23, 2009 - 6:41 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   going your way around you might be ok using your e...   Feb 23, 2009 - 9:49 PM
- - bccentaur3   how do you plan to use the 3sge distributor?   Feb 23, 2009 - 10:05 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   what would be the problem using it?   Feb 24, 2009 - 2:04 AM
- - bccentaur3   5sfe ecu with 3sge ignition system?   Feb 24, 2009 - 2:07 AM
- - bdawgbp1   So do I need to change the distributor also. Also ...   Feb 24, 2009 - 2:27 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   i havnt checked for sure but i cant see the dizzy...   Feb 24, 2009 - 8:15 AM
- - bdawgbp1   Thanks for the info. I will be using a 3S-GTE head...   Feb 24, 2009 - 1:43 PM
|- - HARDTARGET   QUOTE (bdawgbp1 @ Feb 24, 2009 - 1:4...   Feb 24, 2009 - 3:33 PM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   what he said...i think it was mentioned in my post...   Feb 24, 2009 - 5:56 PM
|- - bdawgbp1   QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Feb 24, 2009 - 4...   Feb 24, 2009 - 10:05 PM
- - bdawgbp1   Cool beans - anything else? I'm trying to get ...   Feb 24, 2009 - 6:09 PM
- - bccentaur3   Hes saying if you want a better flowing head get a...   Feb 24, 2009 - 10:31 PM
- - bdawgbp1   Unfortunately I already have the 3S-GTE head. Can ...   Feb 25, 2009 - 1:36 AM
|- - presure2   QUOTE (bdawgbp1 @ Feb 25, 2009 - 1:3...   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:30 AM
- - Cuts_the_Pilot   if you alreayd have the gte head use what you have...   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:25 AM
- - bccentaur3   If you plan on going NA with the build use a 5sfe ...   Feb 25, 2009 - 3:32 PM
- - bdawgbp1   Yeah - I know. You are right - there wasn't al...   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:16 PM
- - bccentaur3   Piece the turbo kit using 3sgte stock parts with r...   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:22 PM
- - bdawgbp1   No I haven't read about your build - but I...   Feb 25, 2009 - 4:37 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (bdawgbp1 @ Feb 25, 2009 - 3:3...   Feb 25, 2009 - 5:31 PM
- - bccentaur3   Unless you have a 3rd gen head, then no.   Feb 25, 2009 - 5:28 PM
- - bccentaur3   Death, did you get my pm about the turbo and heats...   Feb 25, 2009 - 5:39 PM
|- - DEATH   QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ Feb 25, 2009 - 4...   Feb 26, 2009 - 12:49 PM
- - bdawgbp1   Hell yeah!!! Let me see if I can go di...   Feb 25, 2009 - 5:43 PM


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