2 Stage 3SGTE Swap thread, Stage 1.. almost done =) Options

[SlvrCelica09]

EDIT: 8/22/09
Ok guys before commenting just know my goal is 330 hp until all 2 stages is complete.. so keep that in mind when reading my setup:

95 toyota celica GT
ST205 3sgte swap
GT tranny and axles
Stage 3 clutch kit and flywheel(deciding between 2 I like)
EDIT: ST205 fuel pump
3 inch exhaust(already installed)
ST205 downpipe

Now in order to move on to stage 3 I need to figure out which engine I want.. parts for the 185(non RC) I have found to be relatively easy in case something breaks.. alot of sites have parts for the engine.. but it turns out the 185 wiring is harder than the 205.. im leaning towards the 205.. although i think finding parts for the engine is harder.. the swap should be a bit easier and at stock I would be right at my goal which is 250 hp running stock... i know for a fact there wont be an urge to raise booast levels since stage 2(AWD Conversion) of my swap would not be completed.. and this is my only car which i use for work and not for racing intentions.. 4 now.. lol

so basically I got 2 questions that have been killing me for a while now..
axles.. is it possible to mix and match GT tranny with 3sge axles.. if so that would be a delight but I highly doubt you can.. but im asking for clarification.. and 2.. what engine do you guys think I should go with.. 185 or 205?

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Sep 26, 2009 - 6:32 PM

[lagos]

Basically, anyway you look at it, the GEN3 will ALWAYS make 80+ MORE whp then the GEN2 when still all on the stock ECU.

What is it about the motor that will always make 80hp more?

I am not talking making 300whp relying on meth and SAFC tuning.

If by making over 275whp on the GEN2 for under 1000 you mean buying a CT20B, adjustable FPR, bumping base pressure, throwing on an SAFC, etc.....

I actually was thinking of a totally different setup.

This post has been edited by lagos: Apr 13, 2009 - 8:47 PM

[_Jim_]

Basically, anyway you look at it, the GEN3 will ALWAYS make 80+ MORE whp then the GEN2 when still all on the stock ECU.

What is it about the motor that will always make 80hp more?

Better designed Intake manifold, better cams, etc.....But that wasnt what I was really referring to. Granted these parts clearly help make more power.....the real advantage to the GEN3 is the 540cc injectors. With any turbo car (ESPECIALLY THE 3SGTE) , your biggest battle will always be fuel......so when comparing the GEN2 440cc injectors to the GEN3 540cc injectors....No matter how far you take the GEN2 on stock injectors and stock ECU.....you will ALWAYAS have an additonal 80+ more WHP worth of FUEL with the GEN3.

To simplify that a bit more....take "X turbo kit" and put one on each motor set (GEN2 and GEN3) and all other mods being identical (ie. Intake, exhaust, etc). You make 280whp at 15psi on the GEN2, and that is where you are limtied to due to the stock 440cc injectors, and stock ECU.......NOW, take that same turbo and install it on a GEN3 with equal mods and it will make a bit over 300whp at 15psi (the same boost level).....but you ARE NOT LIMTED THERE, you have enough fuel to turn up the boost to say 20psi and make 360whp....showing 80+whp gain over the limits of the GEN2....which will ALWYAS be the case when comparing GEN2 on stock ECU and injectors vs GEN3 on stock ECU and injectors.

I actually was thinking of a totally different setup.

Please share.

[95st-celica]

Basically, anyway you look at it, the GEN3 will ALWAYS make 80+ MORE whp then the GEN2 when still all on the stock ECU.

What is it about the motor that will always make 80hp more?

Better designed Intake manifold, better cams, etc.....But that wasnt what I was really referring to. Granted these parts clearly help make more power.....the real advantage to the GEN3 is the 540cc injectors. With any turbo car (ESPECIALLY THE 3SGTE) , your biggest battle will always be fuel......so when comparing the GEN2 440cc injectors to the GEN3 540cc injectors....No matter how far you take the GEN2 on stock injectors and stock ECU.....you will ALWAYAS have an additonal 80+ more WHP worth of FUEL with the GEN3.

To simplify that a bit more....take "X turbo kit" and put one on each motor set (GEN2 and GEN3) and all other mods being identical (ie. Intake, exhaust, etc). You make 280whp at 15psi on the GEN2, and that is where you are limtied to due to the stock 440cc injectors, and stock ECU.......NOW, take that same turbo and install it on a GEN3 with equal mods and it will make a bit over 300whp at 15psi (the same boost level).....but you ARE NOT LIMTED THERE, you have enough fuel to turn up the boost to say 20psi and make 360whp....showing 80+whp gain over the limits of the GEN2....which will ALWYAS be the case when comparing GEN2 on stock ECU and injectors vs GEN3 on stock ECU and injectors.

I actually was thinking of a totally different setup.

Please share.

jim..besides the injectors, cams, and a few other things the gen 2 and 3 are EXACTLY the same platform...with a tune and larger injectors and cams..the 2nd gen will have no problem making numbers to match a 3rd gen, not to mention upgrading to a ct20b...stock for stock yes the 3rd gen does put out more power...but with little adjustments and for not a lot of money you can easily obtain over 300hp with a 2nd gen in basically stock form...a 3rd gen motor is like a 2nd gen with upgraded stock mods. of course the 3rd gen will put out more power then the 2nd gen but needless to say once both motors have to have upgraded cams, fuel rails, injectors, turbos, etc the playing feild is even. i know you know your **** and im not telling you anything you dont already know..dont get me wrong...but the point im trying to make is that both motors are basically identical, with the 3rd gen having updated and more sophiscated(if you will) modifications stock from toyota