2 Stage 3SGTE Swap thread, Stage 1.. almost done =) Options

[SlvrCelica09]

EDIT: 8/22/09
Ok guys before commenting just know my goal is 330 hp until all 2 stages is complete.. so keep that in mind when reading my setup:

95 toyota celica GT
ST205 3sgte swap
GT tranny and axles
Stage 3 clutch kit and flywheel(deciding between 2 I like)
EDIT: ST205 fuel pump
3 inch exhaust(already installed)
ST205 downpipe

Now in order to move on to stage 3 I need to figure out which engine I want.. parts for the 185(non RC) I have found to be relatively easy in case something breaks.. alot of sites have parts for the engine.. but it turns out the 185 wiring is harder than the 205.. im leaning towards the 205.. although i think finding parts for the engine is harder.. the swap should be a bit easier and at stock I would be right at my goal which is 250 hp running stock... i know for a fact there wont be an urge to raise booast levels since stage 2(AWD Conversion) of my swap would not be completed.. and this is my only car which i use for work and not for racing intentions.. 4 now.. lol

so basically I got 2 questions that have been killing me for a while now..
axles.. is it possible to mix and match GT tranny with 3sge axles.. if so that would be a delight but I highly doubt you can.. but im asking for clarification.. and 2.. what engine do you guys think I should go with.. 185 or 205?

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Sep 26, 2009 - 6:32 PM

[lagos]

You are very much correct in saying the GEN2 and GEN3 become the same platform above a certain WHP number, but it most certainly isnt 300whp. The GEN2 and GEN3 basically become the same platform when going above 400+ WHP.

RickyB would have to disagree with you.

The problem with the GEN2 (and GEN3 for that matter) is that you cant just swap in bigger injectors and tune out the fuel you dont need like you can do with a 5sfte

Why not? Because the mr2 community says so? For years those guys have been guilty of never thinking outside the box.
Its funny how all communities stick to one way of thinking. Ask the mr2 guys and they will hate on the safc. Talk to the supra guys and they will swear by the mapecu, go to the subaru guys and they will tell you to retune your car because you changed the color of your rims.

I would love to go into more detail, but Im kind of holding back for two reasons.
1. for some reason these types of debates get deleted on here faster then you can type them
2. Regardless of what I say, I think you will just come back with some kind of reply that shows the 3rd gen motor is touched by the hand of god.

Dont get me wrong, Id rock a 3rd gen motor in a heat beat. Anything is better then the ****ty AFM based EFI and the peashooter turbo. But change those two things, and the playing field is level for both motors.

This post has been edited by lagos: Apr 14, 2009 - 12:31 PM

[_Jim_]

You are very much correct in saying the GEN2 and GEN3 become the same platform above a certain WHP number, but it most certainly isnt 300whp. The GEN2 and GEN3 basically become the same platform when going above 400+ WHP.

RickyB would have to disagree with you.

I wish he was here

The problem with the GEN2 (and GEN3 for that matter) is that you cant just swap in bigger injectors and tune out the fuel you dont need like you can do with a 5sfte

Why not? Because the mr2 community says so? For years those guys have been guilty of never thinking outside the box.
Its funny how all communities stick to one way of thinking. Ask the mr2 guys and they will hate on the safc. Talk to the supra guys and they will swear by the mapecu, go to the subaru guys and they will tell you to retune your car because you changed the color of your rims.

I would love to go into more detail, but Im kind of holding back for two reasons.
1. for some reason these types of debates get deleted on here faster then you can type them
2. Regardless of what I say, I think you will just come back with some kind of reply that shows the 3rd gen motor is touched by the hand of god.

Dont get me wrong, Id rock a 3rd gen motor in a heat beat. Anything is better then the ****ty AFM based EFI and the peashooter turbo. But change those two things, and the playing field is level for both motors.

Yes, I believe more than most on thinking outside the box.....that will become a bit more evident in the next few weeks.

For the most part, when using an SAFC to control BIGGER injectors on the GEN2, it usually doesnt end well. I know you use the SAFC in your GEN2 Art, but you arent controlling bigger injectors with it.

Art there is no need to "hold back." I will not shoot down a valid idea no matter the setup, ESPECIALLY if it works. Progress in the community is not made by holding back. I agree there are A LOT of criers and nay sayers amongst the 3sgte community...GEN2 and GEN3, 5s, 7a, etc. alike, I am not one of them. If someone is willing to try something new, I am always all for it....and eagerly await the results. I am also not afraid of trying new things on my own car, whcih again.....will be very evident in the next few weeks. Threw trail and error are how most things are accomplished/perfected.