 7AFE weak engine????? |
 Nov 26, 2003 - 1:25 AM
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Why do alot of people around here think that the 7AFE is weak and can't handle boost? I just want to know your view points on this? Do you think its cause it's and N/A engine? Is it because it comes from the factory with only 110 hp? is it beacuae you know someone that has boosted the engine and it has blown up? or any one of the many other reasons you might have?
I just really want to know what all you guys think, that say the 7AFE is weak and people shouldn't spen anymoney on it other then a intake or exhaust system.. -------------------- |
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Nov 26, 2003 - 2:14 AM
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It all depends on how you measure 'weak'. Tuning-wise, the 7AFE is designed and built as an economy motor, therefore its tuning capability is very limited. When turboed, that limit is reached fast, and that limit can be broken fast. The fact is, the car doesn't look like 110 hp, or even 135 (USDM Versions), so people will always hope for more out of it. I personally wanted more out of my 7A and I did spend a lot of money to make it faster. I went the n/a route and learned a hard lesson. After spending, thousands of dollars in engine mods, I was saddened by the fact that my fast looking car still got its ass handed back to it by mildly modified Civics and Integras. And yeah... I was much faster than any n/a ST or GT on this board (I ran mid 15's in the 1/4 mile). All in all, the all-motor route isn't worth it, IMO. Now comes the turbo route. The deal with the turbo is the long-term or short-term effects. Just ask zipstrips (sorry if that spelled wrong). With a custom application, you have to be on top of EVERY little detail to ensure the correct function of the system. A small mistake can mean an empty wallet and a dead car. However, the turbo results are usually very good, although can sometimes be fairly costly. If I remember correctly, Jwalk (something like that) had some turbo problems also. Now, my point here is, do what you want to attain the power that you thirst for. Just be careful and try to learn from everyone else's mistakes. I'm not disregarding motor swappers either, John, Coomer, Ray, on and on. Motor swaps are NOT EASY. Mentioning them is easy, actually doing, is not. The deal here is, what sort of power do you want? If 110 is ok with you...fine. If you want a bit more, Intake, Exhaust, Pulley... fine. If you want even more, turbo, build up, tune... fine. If you want even more... swap. However, money, knowledge, and skill are limiting factors. As far as the 7A goes... its limits has yet to be heavily pushed, however, I'll gurantee you that with a compression ratio of 10:5:1, with all bolt-ons, and poor tuning, you're bound to lose pushrods, valves, rings, or crank bearings sooner or later. As far as the turbo set-up, turbos are turbos. Problems come if you don't pay attention to detail. Know, or at least, keep modest limits in mind. As for me... no, I don't consider the 7AFE weak. If you truely understand how engines make power, you'll appreciate that power a lot more. The 7AFE has power where it counts, and I rather enjoy driving my celica compared to my Civic or my truck. 110 hp or not, It gets 34 mpg with a broad torque band and that's all that really matters. My car is not fast, yours probably (US people at least) aren't fast either. The deal is, if you enjoy driving it, then what's wrong with it? Appreciate, instead of always wanting more. And 5sfeTurbo: I do know what I'm talking about, and I guess some of the things I've said did seemingly bash the 7AFE. As clearification, I'm not bashing the motor, I'm bashing those that ask for too much and realize too little. Heh, you sound almost hypocritical with that post... /rant This post has been edited by Kwanza: Nov 26, 2003 - 2:15 AM |
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macavely 7AFE weak engine????? Nov 26, 2003 - 1:25 AM
5sfeTurbo Dont worry bro, they have no idea what their talki... Nov 26, 2003 - 1:26 AM Supersprynt Should i change my sig to: i am a nerd who doesnt ... Nov 26, 2003 - 2:34 AM 97sccelica CR for the 7afe is 9.5:1.
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