May 27, 2009 - 2:14 PM
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Just curious what everyone's opinions on these are (FI application)
for a street driven car (low throttle driving) that also see's its share pf peppy driving (wot pulls) which is "better" and why? blow off would be recirculated, and leaks not being considered, why would one choose a map system besides tunning capabilities? -------------------- you know why they put sheep at the edge of a cliff.... that way they push back!
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May 28, 2009 - 9:25 AM
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got this elsewhere. all i know.. is that when i had a maf setup previously the back of my car was clean compared to when i switched to a map setup.
by wild... i presume doubled stock power? (200hp engine now producing 400hp) QUOTE It doesn't matter if the vehicle uses MAF or MAP, the ECU still needs to come up with a number representing air mass flow rate. In MAF based systems, this is a direct measurement from a sensor that is compensated for temp, baro, and other conditions. In a MAP based system the ECU must back-calculate the theoretical air mass flow rate based upon reference tables stored in the calibration. The biggest limitation to a MAF system is the sensor itself. Most OEM MAF sensors are not sized to measure flow rates 100% in excess of stock power levels. With a change to an appropriate meter (and the corresponding ECU reprogramming), one gets the benefits of MAF accuracy with the extended power levels. The MAF sensor itself (and ultimately, the ECU) doesn't care what the boost pressure is. What really matters is actual airflow rate and overall VE. On the OEM level, going to a strictly MAP based system is usually a cost saving on the hardware. The downside is that any significant change to the engine's hardware will usually require reprogramming of the ECU to properly accommodate the change. i guess what i take... is if its already map based to keep it such, but what if you take an engine thats maf based? is it "better" worth it to convert to map or as that comment suggests to upgrade the sensor? guess market availability comes into play there -------------------- you know why they put sheep at the edge of a cliff.... that way they push back!
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jason MAF vs MAP May 27, 2009 - 2:14 PM
Fastbird Actually your typical MAF based system is easier t... May 27, 2009 - 2:33 PM
lagos map May 27, 2009 - 3:53 PM
presure2 fastbird pretty much hit the nail on the head. May 27, 2009 - 5:09 PM
Fastbird Wild would be LOTS of boost essentially, cams, ect... May 28, 2009 - 10:26 AM
jason good stuff
everyone seems to say that going map i... May 28, 2009 - 10:49 AM
lagos what car are you talking about? May 28, 2009 - 1:53 PM
jason none specifically - was in discussion
seems like ... May 28, 2009 - 3:05 PM
Fastbird VERY easy to circumvent VTA BOV issues on a MAF ca... May 28, 2009 - 3:22 PM
pittfirefighter theres issues with the MAF sensor on the 3sgte goi... May 28, 2009 - 6:34 PM
jason ive read that what you said is contradictory
maf ... May 29, 2009 - 2:17 PM
lagos I cant help to think that this is such a silly top... May 29, 2009 - 2:32 PM
pittfirefighter just on my 3sgte - the gate style MAF sensor... wh... May 29, 2009 - 3:30 PM
lagos QUOTE (pittfirefighter @ May 29, 2009 - ... May 29, 2009 - 4:41 PM
pittfirefighter yes i logged it on my AEM EMS but before my AEM UE... May 29, 2009 - 5:46 PM
Fastbird Art, this is far from a silly topic. This is gene... May 29, 2009 - 6:02 PM
lagos QUOTE (pittfirefighter @ May 29, 2009 - ... May 29, 2009 - 11:01 PM
Fastbird Art, I don't think anyone is saying that it... May 30, 2009 - 12:02 AM
presure2 IMO basicly, the MAF is fine, 1st provided it is i... May 30, 2009 - 6:59 AM
Fastbird Unless you're like me and just want the unsigh... May 30, 2009 - 7:07 AM
lagos QUOTE (presure2 @ May 30, 2009 - 7:5... May 30, 2009 - 9:36 AM
Fastbird QUOTE (lagos @ May 30, 2009 - 9:36 A... May 30, 2009 - 6:52 PM![]() ![]() |
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