The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[BonzaiCelica]

nice reply's everybody thanks!

so if you put a integra type r 195hp engine, 7th gen celica trd tuned 194 hp engine and a 3sge beams 197hp engine together. Which motor would be the fastest?? All motors produce around the same horspower, one has a vtec system, another vvtl-i and the other one has vvt-i.

Do you get what i mean.

Ok lets say you have three 7th gen celica's. One has a B18C5 motor in it, another one has a 3sge redtop beams, and the other one has a 2zz-ge in it.

Its funny you mention cost. 98 Integra Type R was $800 cheaper than SS-III. However this was because the Celica SS-III was equipped with Navigation

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 25, 2017 - 6:00 AM

[Hanyo]

nice reply's everybody thanks!

so if you put a integra type r 195hp engine, 7th gen celica trd tuned 194 hp engine and a 3sge beams 197hp engine together. Which motor would be the fastest?? All motors produce around the same horspower, one has a vtec system, another vvtl-i and the other one has vvt-i.

Do you get what i mean.

Ok lets say you have three 7th gen celica's. One has a B18C5 motor in it, another one has a 3sge redtop beams, and the other one has a 2zz-ge in it.

Which celica out of all three would win in a 0-100 mph race??

If i were to take a guess, i would say its a close race between the 2zz vs b18c5. The red top beams was rated at 197hp, but its actual output varies greatly. I remember a member here posted a video of him on the drag strip with a celica ssII racing a gsr type r, and he manage to win. But we are dealing with modifications here and its really hard to make a fair comparison.

You have to remember the red top beams was design to go against the acura integra Gsr type R. Where as the GTS was design solely to compete against the gsr. That is also the reason why I dislike the 2zz engine. It was design with alot of great ideas, but it was design specifically to make around 200 hp and nothing more.

When it comes down to modified naturally aspired performance, the 18c5 wins. however this is very old technology, the k20 engines are the new standards for naturally aspired engine performance.