The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[Tony-B]

I own a beams and my brother owns a JDM EK9 (B16b civic type R).

The V-tec engine is a great piece of engineering, but its quite a different drive the beams. In the civic you have to rev to AT LEAST 6K to feel power. When it is in 'Vtec' though it is stupid fast. Its really strange to see the rev counter go so high so quick. Great fun to drive. You feel like a hooligan behind the wheel.

The Beams is sort of a civilised engine i feel (after 18 months of ownership) you drive around town at low revs comfortably and get 630-640 Klms on a tank of petrol. On the other hand it will do near 100mph in third and pulls strong from 3K revs right to the redline in every gear as smooth as silk.

Different engines, different qualities and it depends on your taste and the way you drive i suppose.

Where the Beams wins for me though is on the engine note, 6k revs in third is the best noise ever!!!!

On a side note, i do know of a fellow who sold his JDM DC2 because a VVTL-i 7gen whipped his arse!