The engine's in 7th and 6th gen Celica, Why did they change?? Options

[BonzaiCelica]

So i was thinking the other day of the difference between the motor's in the 6th gen and 7th gen celica's. The 3sge engine was a very potential motor with 3rd gen producing 177 hp 142 lb torque, 4th gen "Redtop Beams" 197hp 152 lb torque and the 5th gen "Blacktop" found in the Altezza producing 207 hp and 159 lb's torque. I would say those a pretty impressive numbers.

Honda has had their vtec since the nsx first came out in the early 90's and they have been improving ever since. So why did toyota decide to go with a 1zz-ge and 2zz-ge engine for the celica. I mean the displacement went down in .2 liters. The 1.8 ltr 2zz engine came with vvtl-i to compete with honda's vtec? In the US, the celica only produced a 180 hp and in japan it produced 190 hp. Then there was the trd celica which produced 194 hp. Still that wasnt even enough to touch the Integra type r B18c5 motor which produced 195 hp and had around the same torque as the 7th.

So why didnt toyota stick with the 3sge. They could have produced an 2 ltr engine that had around 215 hp with vvt-i on the intake and exhaust manifold just like the 3sge blacktop.

[BonzaiCelica]

uhh ya i totally agree edophus. The integra type r is a track ready car straight out of the factory. those celica's are not.

thanks for sharing those vids Shigexile. Ok guys finally found a vid of a SS-III vs integra type r vs mr2 g-limited with beams vs rivals at the track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsAwP77056k...feature=related

a little disappointing at first, but ill explain later doing some research....

Type R has Aluminum block, lightweight front windshield, full stainless steel exhaust, no sound insulation, lighter battery, plastic headlights, optional A/C

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 25, 2017 - 6:04 AM

[Edophus]

uhh ya i totally agree edophus. The integra type r is a track ready car straight out of the factory. those celica's are not.

thanks for sharing those vids Shigexile. Ok guys finally found a vid of a SS-III vs integra type r vs mr2 g-limited with beams vs rivals at the track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcx6H5OASc

a little disappointing at first, but ill explain later doing some research....

I cant watch that here at work, but i'm guessing the integra wins right? again it really comes down to the fact that both the ss3 and mr2 with beams are well over 100kg heavier than the integra, niether toyota make any attempt at weight saving, where an integra uses no sound proofing, and lightweight glass, very often no aircon, the toyota's come fully loaded wtih air con, tons of soundproofing etc, have non track biased suspension and similar sized brakes that have more weight to deal with. Deal with those things, or type-r your toyota and its a different story I know there supposed to be rivals by some but really there not as toyota did not aim the celica at the integra knowing fine well that not everyone wants a noisy and harsh car.

actually just watched that now, i'm surprised by how little difference there is between the integra and the ss3 given the integra has at least a 110kg weight advantage! so just imagine what happens if you start removing weight from the celica, the integra has already lost most of the weight it can from the factory.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Aug 17, 2009 - 11:33 AM