NO 8TH GEN CELICA!!!! MOTORTREND REPORTS ITS TRUE!

NO 8TH GEN CELICA!!!! MOTORTREND REPORTS ITS TRUE!, WHAA?

Nov 29, 2003 - 2:57 PM
XE_Nathaniel View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 14, '03 From Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	The Death of the Celica may mark a new era of toaster vehicles as sales of the Celica slow. This is possibly due to the low price of the Z and the Celica's approching cost of the Z. Initially, Celica sales were up almost 230% from the 6G but sales have reportedly deteriorated. The death of the Honda Prelude may of influenced Toyota's decision to eliminate the Celica for the 8th generation (in U.S. anyway). What will replace it? Most likely the xC...Toyota Caldina. (or the Corolla hatchback) More as more develops... -Nate (I really really hope this ISN'T true)

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QUOTE (ConeTrouble @ Dec 11, 2003 - 2:56 PM)

Well, I am probably going to get flamed on this, but I disagree with those of you that are calling the Celica a sports car. Now, I do agree that it is a sporty, fun-to-drive car, but a sports car it is not.

QUOTE

sports car
n.

An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

The definition above doesn't really address drive wheels, and I may date myself by saying so, but I feel that a sports car has to be rear wheel drive.

Again, not trying to knock the Celica, or start a flame war.

I would hate to see the Celica die out, but honestly, I wouldn't be suprised to see it happen. It seems that more and more people are so influenced by horsepower figures. Fine. The Celica doesn't put down impressive numbers in that arena, and perhaps this contributes to its populatiry over the last decade. What it does have (or more aptly, doesn't have) is weight. Ever see curb weights on sales brochures? On TV ads? Hell, ever time I see a commercial for a car, it seem they are telling me what horsepower it has. What good is 200 or so horsepower if the friggin thing weights 3000-odd pounds?

Part of the problem is that it costs considerably more to reduce the weight of a car than to drop in a bigger/heavier motor that pushes more horsepower. Remember that a car manufacurer also has to meet industry crash standards, so weight trimming has to be done with this in mind. Unobtanium parts can be used, but drive up the base price of the vehicle. It is a heck of a lot easier to slap the public in the face with 200 Horsepowah!! and just skirt the fact that in order to do that they just dropped in a cast-iron v8, so the car's now a porker and corners like the QE2.

I am willing to pay a premium for a car that is light on its feet. This often means that the displacement is low (and power is not intimidatingly large). I think that fewer and fewer people feel the same, and even less are willing to fork over a bit more for said nimbleness.

I think the Celica is a great mix of practical and sporty. My liftback can carry my drumset, or a set of race tires, or herd of rabid hedgehogs... Okay, so I haven't actually tried the last one, but you get my point. I like the versatility. I hope it doesn't go by the wayside, but I am afriad that the public's perception of what is important in a vehicle has changed... for the worse.

I think Celicas fit that definition very well except for the 1-2 seater part. But the backseat is very cramped and can be easily taken out. I think they are very sporty, but definitely not muscle cars. Too many people equate sports cars and rear-wheel drive american muscle cars as being the same thing. They are however very different. If a miata is a sports car, then so is a Celica.

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XE_Nathaniel NO 8TH GEN CELICA!!!! MOTORTREND REPORTS ITS TRUE! Nov 29, 2003 - 2:57 PM

Benevolence what pisses me off the most is the fact there stil... Nov 29, 2003 - 4:19 PM

Drocay Hopefully its not true. Nov 29, 2003 - 4:28 PM

Jason BS. Toyota thrives on the Celica. If something g... Nov 29, 2003 - 4:50 PM

macavely damn that sucks.. but for some strange reason i do... Nov 29, 2003 - 5:01 PM

snadman What pisses me off is that 3 months ago I heard th... Nov 29, 2003 - 5:04 PM

LuDaChRiS if it goes down like that, then i think its crap. ... Nov 30, 2003 - 3:50 AM

Supersprynt Caldina is the Matrix, which will have a 3sgte Nov 30, 2003 - 3:40 PM

saleeka 2005 Toyota Celica: Significant update with freshe... Nov 30, 2003 - 3:49 PM

boosted_K2 sounds to me like toyota is running out the celica... Nov 30, 2003 - 5:56 PM

awdturbo they need to bring back the gt-four celica, it wou... Nov 30, 2003 - 8:06 PM

Akimbo It's true, they're gonna replace it with t... Nov 30, 2003 - 8:27 PM

Kwanza QUOTE (awdturbo @ Nov 30, 2003 - 6:06 PM) they nee... Nov 30, 2003 - 9:21 PM

boosted_K2 similar styling to the GTi! german rip-off... ... Dec 1, 2003 - 12:08 AM

macavely hey i love the look of that corolla t-sport.. wont... Dec 1, 2003 - 12:15 AM

XE_Nathaniel I know snadman but I wasn't really bitchin at ... Dec 1, 2003 - 3:37 PM

snadman Whatever, I ain't really offended just somethi... Dec 1, 2003 - 4:11 PM

boosted_K2 QUOTE (snadman @ Dec 1, 2003 - 4:11 PM) Whatever, ... Dec 1, 2003 - 4:47 PM

macavely QUOTE (boosted_K2 @ Dec 1, 2003 - 5:47 PM) QUOTE (... Dec 1, 2003 - 5:23 PM

XE_Nathaniel Toyota is making great strides and progres with hy... Dec 1, 2003 - 10:02 PM

XE_Nathaniel Yea no prob snadman =) -Nate Dec 1, 2003 - 10:03 PM

StockST Well it looks like Toyota has lost my faith. Guess... Dec 1, 2003 - 10:33 PM

neoklis Hey guys I shouldn't worry much. You see Toyot... Dec 4, 2003 - 8:44 AM

boosted_K2 QUOTE (neoklis @ Dec 4, 2003 - 8:44 AM) Hey guys I... Dec 4, 2003 - 9:53 AM

NEVERSTOP as much as I would hate to see the end of the celi... Dec 4, 2003 - 11:04 AM

Kwanza QUOTE (NEVERSTOP @ Dec 4, 2003 - 9:04 AM) BTW isnt... Dec 4, 2003 - 2:48 PM

hioctane Man, I lost all faith in toyota..... Toyota is rep... Dec 4, 2003 - 11:21 PM

GeEkBoY I personally think Toyota missed the mark with the... Dec 5, 2003 - 12:23 AM

FallenHero if the caldina has a 3sgte. I'd have one.... ... Dec 5, 2003 - 12:56 AM

jayi12-15psi geekboy, maybe those could have some ge head, inst... Dec 5, 2003 - 2:20 AM

CurrenZS how does motortrend figure that the Caldina is ... Dec 5, 2003 - 4:16 AM

macavely well i think its smart of toyota to change up the ... Dec 5, 2003 - 5:49 AM

fastgt I think toyota has been slipping in the past few y... Dec 8, 2003 - 3:54 PM

BlackSTX QUOTE (snadman @ Nov 29, 2003 - 3:04 PM) What piss... Dec 8, 2003 - 5:16 PM

BlackSTX QUOTE (CurrenZS @ Dec 5, 2003 - 2:16 AM) how doe... Dec 8, 2003 - 5:31 PM

Uppitycracker I dont know I think Id ave to see it in person to ... Dec 8, 2003 - 6:07 PM

Jeremy1210 I just hope that all this hooplah isn't true. ... Dec 8, 2003 - 7:23 PM

anubis from what i understand after reading a thread on c... Dec 8, 2003 - 9:00 PM

celicamanSTX2GT [QUOTE]There's no U.S. market for a 2 door AWD... Dec 10, 2003 - 1:37 AM

Kwanza QUOTE (celicamanSTX2GT @ Dec 9, 2003 - 11:37 PM) ^... Dec 10, 2003 - 2:28 AM

macavely QUOTE (Kwanza @ Dec 10, 2003 - 3:28 AM) QUOTE (cel... Dec 10, 2003 - 5:33 AM

celicamanSTX2GT oh i was just asking you why there is no market fo... Dec 10, 2003 - 1:49 PM

LuDaChRiS probably the reason there arent really anymore spo... Dec 10, 2003 - 3:32 PM

95WRC hey, NEW Scion Tc will be unveiled Jan 4th in Det... Dec 10, 2003 - 11:10 PM

ConeTrouble Well, I am probably going to get flamed on this, b... Dec 11, 2003 - 4:56 PM

GT4SUM Out of curiousity, does your guys(americans) 7th g... Dec 11, 2003 - 6:17 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (GT4SUM @ Dec 11, 2003 - 3:17 PM) Out o... Dec 11, 2003 - 8:12 PM

macavely Cone i agree with you the celica is not a sports c... Dec 11, 2003 - 11:53 PM

97sccelica QUOTE (macavely @ Dec 11, 2003 - 8:53 PM) Cone i a... Dec 12, 2003 - 12:14 AM

snadman Yes. Dec 12, 2003 - 12:51 AM

macavely QUOTE (97sccelica @ Dec 12, 2003 - 1:14 AM) QUOTE ... Dec 12, 2003 - 1:22 AM

97sccelica LSD helps, but when a high power car launches, the... Dec 12, 2003 - 1:34 AM

macavely QUOTE (97sccelica @ Dec 12, 2003 - 2:34 AM) LSD he... Dec 12, 2003 - 3:07 AM

FallenHero I personally like what that guy MR-E said on celic... Dec 13, 2003 - 12:17 AM

neoklis The Celica not a sports car? You must be kidding. ... Dec 22, 2003 - 10:21 AM

BlackSTX QUOTE (ConeTrouble @ Dec 11, 2003 - 2:56 PM) Well,... Dec 24, 2003 - 3:08 PM

blkGT without 16k mustangs, camaros and firebirds. toyot... Dec 24, 2003 - 3:40 PM

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