Lets get down and dirty with a 2ZZ.

Lets get down and dirty with a 2ZZ., Experts only please.

Dec 28, 2003 - 9:35 PM
Guest_Jason_* Guest_Jason_* View Member Profile	A friend and I are looking into taking on a nice project, obviously, attempting to swap a 2ZZ(GTS) into my current 7A(ST). This good friend of mine did the swap on my previous Integra, has alot of knowledge on welding and fabricating etc, but not neccessarily in wiring (which can be dealth with at a later time). We just "out of the blue" started thinking about doing such a swap as a fun project to attempt. We just want to look into some of the difficulties we may run in to before we actually run into the situation with no way out. Basically, trying to plan out all of our problems ahead of time, so that when we reach them, we have a planned method of working around them. What i'm asking is, if anybody can give me some possible difficulties we may run into and some helpful solutions to getting around them or making them work, please help. Our most obvious is Engine Mounts, but we aren't worried about that at all really, its pretty easy to weld new mounts on. The good thing on this is that all work is going to be done by him, making installation free unless we run into some severe difficulties. Through me some ideas guy... We are currently trying to get our hands on a low-mileage 2ZZ. I'm going to go ahead and come out on a limb and say right off the bat we are looking into custom axle's (unless a GT would work), relocated engine mounts, and transmission.

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Dec 29, 2003 - 2:37 AM

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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 28, 2003 - 9:35 PM)

A friend and I are looking into taking on a nice project, obviously, attempting to swap a 2ZZ(GTS) into my current 7A(ST). This good friend of mine did the swap on my previous Integra, has alot of knowledge on welding and fabricating etc, but not neccessarily in wiring (which can be dealth with at a later time). We just "out of the blue" started thinking about doing such a swap as a fun project to attempt. We just want to look into some of the difficulties we may run in to before we actually run into the situation with no way out. Basically, trying to plan out all of our problems ahead of time, so that when we reach them, we have a planned method of working around them.

What i'm asking is, if anybody can give me some possible difficulties we may run into and some helpful solutions to getting around them or making them work, please help. Our most obvious is Engine Mounts, but we aren't worried about that at all really, its pretty easy to weld new mounts on. The good thing on this is that all work is going to be done by him, making installation free unless we run into some severe difficulties. Through me some ideas guy...

We are currently trying to get our hands on a low-mileage 2ZZ.

I'm going to go ahead and come out on a limb and say right off the bat we are looking into custom axle's (unless a GT would work), relocated engine mounts, and transmission.

why do you want to do this???

my personal view on this option:

1) the 2zz is a capable engine but is very expensive for the power gains.
reasons:
A) you have a baseline of 180BHP, which is around the same of a ST165 3sgte motor. the price differences are marginal. the only difference is VVTL-i VS. Turbo, which i dont see how the VVTL-i would be more inticing.
B) you can turbo the 2zz, but kits are EXTREMELY expensive, around 6k i believe is the price my friend was telling me.
C) for the price of a turbo on a 2zz you can get a T3/T4 kit on the 3sgte and boost to 15PSI on an all stock motor, which is widly done on MR2s. (once you get an adjustabl FCD, which you can do for 5 dollars with a custom black box)

2) The 2zz requires just as much if not more custom work as a 3S -> ST swap.
A) the block is completely different, just like the 3S, so it will need new engine mounts, the difference: theres a version of the 6gc with the 3S, so customizing is minimal compared to the 2ZZ.
B) the 2zz wont work with either the 3s, 5s, or 7a axles or trans, unless you do a custom bell housing adaptor, which can be CnC milled from aluminum, but its not an easy task. then you would have to research clutch sizes, fittings, patterns, etc .
C) the 2zz has completely different wiring, so nothing will be plug and play, it will all need to be meshed togeather if you were to use all the stock emmenities.

i will probably post more later.

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Jason Lets get down and dirty with a 2ZZ. Dec 28, 2003 - 9:35 PM

Coomer Just out of curiosity, why spend more money than y... Dec 28, 2003 - 9:48 PM

GeEkBoY If you don't want turbo, the beams red-top is ... Dec 28, 2003 - 10:08 PM

5sfeTurbo The mere cost of a "low mileage" 2ZZmoto... Dec 28, 2003 - 10:39 PM

macavely well off the top of my head i can't seam to th... Dec 29, 2003 - 12:45 AM

97sccelica well, the main problem will be wiring, since the e... Dec 29, 2003 - 12:45 AM

Jason Alright, don't take this the wrong way, but I ... Dec 29, 2003 - 1:49 AM

Kwanza26 The only hard thing about the wiring will be the g... Dec 29, 2003 - 2:15 AM

boosted_K2 QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 28, 2003 - 9:35 PM) A friend an... Dec 29, 2003 - 2:37 AM

SpedToe169 As most of you said, wiring is the hardest thing. ... Dec 29, 2003 - 2:43 PM

GeEkBoY you may want to consider an aftermarket ecu to con... Dec 29, 2003 - 6:16 PM

Jason You think using the 6SPD Transmission will bolt ri... Dec 29, 2003 - 11:36 PM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (SpedToe169 @ Dec 29, 2003 - 7:43 PM) M... Dec 30, 2003 - 4:40 AM

Kwanza26 QUOTE (GeEkBoY @ Dec 29, 2003 - 11:16 PM) you may ... Dec 30, 2003 - 4:58 AM

VlaCelica QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 30, 2003 - 4:36 AM) You think u... Dec 30, 2003 - 7:12 AM

SpedToe169 An aftermarket ECU is a really bad idea with this ... Dec 30, 2003 - 1:57 PM

Jason Okay, here's what i've compiled from alot ... Dec 30, 2003 - 10:18 PM

SpedToe169 Yup, I think you've got it. Like I said, the ... Dec 30, 2003 - 11:08 PM

GeEkBoY QUOTE - No serious wiring problems besides Gauge C... Dec 30, 2003 - 11:17 PM

Jason I understand Geekboy, thanks man. Well, wish me l... Dec 31, 2003 - 8:47 AM

macavely QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 31, 2003 - 9:47 AM) I understan... Dec 31, 2003 - 8:52 AM

NEVERSTOP hey good luck to you man on this.. im one for doin... Dec 31, 2003 - 1:24 PM

Jason Well, I have a friend with a GTS, modified with an... Dec 31, 2003 - 5:18 PM

Coomer QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 31, 2003 - 2:18 PM) Well, ... Dec 31, 2003 - 6:02 PM

Jason It wasn't my car, just a friends. He bought t... Dec 31, 2003 - 7:17 PM

5sfeTurbo Have fun bro, didnt mean to sound negative earlier... Dec 31, 2003 - 7:35 PM

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